Understood... but I was just using the Cable TV thing as an example of a
dramatic departure from the accepted norm. The bottom line is you have the
choice of running a server or not running a server. If you choose to run a
server Valve owes you exactly Jack Squat. If you think that isn't fair then
you can exercise your right not to run a server. I think server admin's run
servers because it's their passion and making money is a distant secondary
consideration. If Valve wants to pay me to run my server I'll be more than
happy to cash the checks, but if they don't I'll still run my server.
-----Original Message-----
From: Saint K. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 2:02 PM
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6
Goin on about the TV stuff, your TV doesnt actually provide anything to the
network. You can see your tv as a "leecher" and we server hosts, as the "TV
cable provider"(We just dont provide the programs playing on it.... You can
see it as a free TV station for broadcasters).
----- Original Message -----
From: "Edward Luna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <hlds@list.valvesoftware.com>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 4:34 PM
Subject: RE: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6
By many years... rofl. Lets put it this way... when I was a kid we listened
to radio because there were very few televisions.
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 10:01 AM
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6
Can ya beat 42??
:)
From: "Edward Luna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 2006/12/09 Sat AM 06:28:24 CST
To: <hlds@list.valvesoftware.com>
Subject: RE: Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6
"... waffling more than John Kerry." ROFL!
Okay... seriously now. I've seen this all before and you guys are 100%
correct to be concerned but you're also spitting into the wind. The times
they are a changin and in-game adds are comin. To quote a phrase oft used
by one incredibly sexy ex-Borg... "resistance is futile".
I'm a bit older then; well... all of you (hehehe), and I lived through
this before. No, not adds in movie theaters... that was relatively
recent... I'm talking about Cable Television. Back in the dark ages
(before computers) there was but a handful of channels, available only via
"Rabbit Ears" or an antennae on your roof. Then one day someone mentioned
that we would soon be introduced to something called Cable Television and
that we would have to pay a monthly fee to watch TV. The world laughed
out loud at such a ridiculous concept... "Pay to watch the television I
already paid for?... Not on your life"! Or so we thought.
Now don't get me wrong... you can still use an antenna if you want, but
who among us really wants to go back to 7 snowy channels spewing forth the
party line when we can have hundreds of crystal clear channels with
something that fits just about every taste and style?
Remember... when your done changing, you're done.
-----Original Message-----
From: [DMA]RocketUSA [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 4:03 PM
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: RE: Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6
IF this all is true, Valve is waffling more than John Kerry. Think about
this. They disable the content server loading banner for all of us that
provide servers for this game, AT NO CHARGE TO THEM, and now they see that
they can make revenue off of not just that but IN GAME also so it's o.k.?
I'm not liking this ride if it's true.
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 1:08 PM
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6
Some of you seem to "get it". For the others, corporations are all about
making money and they will continually try to come up with ways to make
more. As long as what they do continues to make them money (or in this
case
even more money), they will not change. They would not implement a change
unless they believed that their gains (in advertising revenues) would
outweigh any losses (in gamers). Alot of people like to play this game and
will continue to play no matter what. Most GSP's will continue to host
until
they are no longer making money. In the end, its a waiting game. Does
their
gamble pay off or not? Only the players, the GSP's and time will tell.
Me? I shut my server down. Time to move on to another game and see if I
can
find some of the fun that I use to have playing CS.
Just my .02
From: Wojciech H <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 2006/12/08 Fri AM 11:28:57 CST
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6
In game ads have already been done, and Valve is just following the
'trend' I guess. For instance, BF2142 has in game ads, and a lot of
people did not buy the game based on it.
I think some arguments for having in game advertising is to pay for
maintaining: the games, the update system, the many more updates/addons
that people have started to expect, the master server lists, etc.
Dan E wrote:
As far as region specific, don't you specify what
language you speak when you install Steam?
I'm personally ticked off that they want us to look at
ads in a game which we have already paid for. A demo
I can understand, but this is just rediculous.
--- Steven Hartland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
This brings some interesting questions:
* How are they going the ensure the adds are region
specific
This is required to ensure that the language is
correct and
local laws adhered to.
* How are they going to deal with the case that the
ad's
may go against sponsorship deals for the servers or
tournaments etc.
Its not going to go down well if a Intel sponsored
tourney
started displaying adds for AMD processors in the
middle
of the match.
By the same reasoning if provider X started
advertising
and this where to show up on provider Y's servers
they
would be understandably pissed.
These are just two logistical issues which spring to
mind.
Steve
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