From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> Subject: Re: [hlds] Post-outage thoughts> Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 20:48:41 -0500> > did somebody say they have switches and routers in thier dorm room on ups's?> what in the world would you need a switch in your dorm room for? multiple> vlans in your room? anyway, redundancy is always important. but you are> right, it is not cost effective. Remember though, not that steam supports> more and more games (and gets paid for it) would it not be more attractive> for developers to know that someone will be able to play thier game no> matter what the weather is like in seattle?> > ----- Original Message -----> From: "Scott Tuttle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> To: <hlds@list.valvesoftware.com>> Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 8:07 PM> Subject: RE: [hlds] Post-outage thoughts> > > > You would have to ask their sales force if being able to say the system is> > redundant would help them make sales.> >> > > -----Original Message-----> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of bob johnson> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 5:45 PM> > > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> > > Subject: RE: [hlds] Post-outage thoughts> > >> > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.> > > --> > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]> > > Still sounds like alot of money invested for nothing. Where is the ROI> > > for Valve? Will this cost them sales? I say no, the software has been> > > bought and paid for. By the time the next release rolls> > > around everyone> > > will have forgotten about this. Did they lose data? Nope.> > > Lawsuits? Nope.> > > Why then would they dump many thousands of dollars into a> > > more reliable> > > and redundant system? Businesses do things that will help> >
> them make money> > > and this won't.> > >> > > Anyone from Valve care to chime in??> > >> > > -----Original Message-----> > >> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [> > >> > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of chad> > >> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 4:50 PM> > >> > > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> > >> > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Post-outage thoughts> > >> > > You are right, networking 101 teaches that, I took the> > > networking class> > > in high school, and got my NET+ certification, Even I know> > > that backups> > > are important, and I'm a college freshman (well I have enough> > > credits to> > > be a sophomore) I have backups, and they work, my laptop> > > decided one day> > > to disable all the user accounts and delete any that were useful (even> > > administrator was disabled) i got back up and running in 5> > > minutes, and> > > in 15 i had my programs back, and in the end spent more time trying to> > > fix the laptop than trying to recover from it.> > >> > > after taking networking 101, I now have my computers (and switches and> > >> > > routers) in my dorm on UPSes, and on a cart that in a power> > > outage of my> > > floor could be wheeled downstairs, or in an Internet outage, I have a> > > very long (100 M) cable to reach any other part of the building, and I> > > could make it longer with a repeater if I had to, but it is> > > long enough.> > >> > > Valve has a lotbigger budget, and paying customers and a lot better> > > trained people than me, and should have much better backups and> > > redundancy, I can survive a loss of service to my floor, with minimal> > > downtime of my services, so valve should be able to stand
the> > > loss of a> > > city (even by nuke) with minimal affect to the rest of the> > > world, if the> > > whole US was out of power, or gone by nuking, then I would be> > > okay with> > > them being off line, for a few days> > >> > > Scott Tuttle wrote:> > >> > > > Such redundancy is Networking 101 and Programming 101... You can> > >> > > > choose to ignore it if you like... But in the real word it is fact .> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Valve is probably making enough money to make it reasonable for them> > >> > > > to invest in a redundant system for that "money making" aparatus.> > >> > > > That is Economics 101. You think it looks good to investors that the> > >> > > > "backbone" of the system went down for the entire world> > > because of one> > >> > > > geological disaster? You think that's a good selling point for> > >> > > > software developers that want to bring their product to market?> > >> > > > 273,468 game players couldn't play because Valve had all> > > their eggs in> > > that one "geographical" basket.> > >> > > > Wise business decision? You decide...> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Ok maybe they are 500 level courses but you still get the point :D> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> -----Original Message-----> > >> > > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > > >> [> > >> > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of> > >> > > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > > >> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 2:57 PM> > >> > > >> To:
hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> > >> > > >> Subject: RE: RE: RE: Re: [hlds] Post-outage thoughts> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >> All I'm seeing is whining, pettiness, and monday morning> > >> > > >> quarterbacking.> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >> Lets try this. If anyone out there has a diagram of the Valve> > >> > > >> infrastructure, and a complete understanding of who they contract> > >> > > >> with for what services and facilities, then lets see it.> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >> I only am reading people bitching about what Valve should have done> > >> > > >> over the last 10 years, and "I could do it better", without any> > >> > > >> reguard or perspective on what the real world impact things may be> > >> > > >> having in the Seattle area.> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >> _______________________________________________> > >> > > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list> > >> > > >> archives, please visit:> > >> > > >>> > >> > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > --> > >> > > Cal, Stanford -Students Only Classifieds> > > Students only , Pay nothing to Buy & Sell textbooks, furniture & more.> > > http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=20e9b7562a> > > 9c927234e3ca61ecb4660b> > >> > > --> > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________> > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list> > > archives,
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