-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] If you make netcafe ban's instant, you'll have to make all bans instant as you've already removed the advantage of delayed bans as a whole (not knowing whether a certain thing is detected). It would be better to simply ban the netcafe instead. If On 9/10/07, Whisper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > Perhaps Valve can vac ban Net Cafe accounts immediately instead of delayed > banning them. > > That would solve 1 problem. :) > > Or even better for us and most pub players, if net cafe gets vac banned on > a > reduced delay, say a few hours, then the whole netcafe gets locked out. > That > would sure incentivize (did I just make a word upo then?) Net Cafes to > keep > their machines cheat free! > > Cheers > > On 9/10/07, Adam Sando <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Agreed. It is a server operators right to ban based on a clients > > behaviour. If that client happens to share an IP with many other people, > > then it is not the server operators problem, really. > > > > It's like workplace policies that seem to appear, such as when one > > person decides he will start calling in sick on Monday's and Fridays, so > > the workplace puts in a policy to enforce doctors certificates for all > > sick days, period. The blanket approach will cover every staff member, > > even those that are doing the right thing, however it means that the > > sick days are then controlled to minimise unproductive workers. The hard > > part is then managing the negative repercussions that follow afterwards > > - same as with the IP ban example above. > > > > Regards, > > Adam. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Whisper > > Sent: Friday, 7 September 2007 2:09 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; HLDS > > Subject: [hlds] Reducing Cheats on Servers > > > > -- > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > > The following is only our point of view, your mileage may vary. > > > > It is becoming increasingly apparent to us that the majority of the > > cheats > > we see on our Counter-Strike:Source servers are coming from NetCafe > > Accounts. > > > > VAC for the most part seems to be working as a deterrent to the majority > > of > > normal users. I do not have access to VAC banning stats, but for all I > > know > > it maybe banning boatloads of players. > > > > The main problem here is, VAC's delayed banning system has no effect > > whatsoever on NetCafe Accounts, as it is a simple case for a NetCafe > > users > > to log out of the STEAM account they are using at the NetCafe and then > > log > > back in when they have been banned from a server by an admins and renter > > the > > server with a new STEAM_ID, and in any case, who cares about being VAC > > banned if you effectively have unlimited access to STEAM_ID's that > > aren't > > yours any how? > > > > Here is the thing though, most Netcafes are connected to the Internet > > via > > Static IP's. > > > > It is a rather trivial task to go through the logs with a program like > > HLStatsX and run a query that generates a list of STEAM_ID's on a per IP > > basis. > > > > Then you check to see which IP's have lots of STEAM_ID's attached to > > them, > > and then you add those IP addresses to your banned_ip.cfg file and run > > it at > > server start, instant mass reduction of cheats you will see on your > > server. > > > > If you want to be sure, just do a traceroute to the IP in question just > > to > > be sure you are not wiping a college or university out, but most often > > you > > will find that these are not going to have Netcafe accounts associated > > with > > them anyhow. > > > > But you can be almost certain that if you see more than 20 STEAM_ID's > > originating from the 1 IP address, you have found a NetCafe that is > > using > > your servers. > > > > Now the problem for Valve, is if lots of Game Server Providers start IP > > banning NetCafes from their servers, it instantly devalues Valves > > NetCafe > > program, since the NetCafe users will find it increasingly difficult to > > find > > servers to play on the Internet. In fact it is my understanding that if > > you > > IP ban, then your servers will no longer even come up on that IP's > > server > > browser, they will either not show up at all, or they show up as not > > responding, in either case the result is the same. > > > > I do not have a simple answer to this, but whilst delayed banning > > exists, > > there is no other way to stop cheats on servers who have effectively > > unlimited access to STEAM Accounts, other than to IP ban them. > > > > Thoughts? > > -- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >
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