This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Jason O. Washburn wrote: > Chris, your right we seem to hash and rehash a lot of the same complaints > here regularly. I just wish we knew if any of these complaints ever gets > acted upon. > > Jason > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Barnett > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 3:11 PM > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the > steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > > Jason, > > I want way less than that and anyone who "demands" more is a total whiner. > What the heck, why does Valve bother with multi-player games? I mean > wouldn't it be a lot less hassle if they made just single player games? > > After all, user experience is paramount. In a single player game, we don't > have to put up with hackers or childish people who ruin a players gaming > experience. > > If Valve doesn’t believe that admins in the community are capable of > delivering a good gaming experience, they should just shut up shop and > forget about this multiplayer gaming business. Because I'm tired of the > petty games they play. > > This community has been telling them for years simple and effective ways to > stop servers from being broken and they listen carefully and devised ways to > piss us off even more by ignoring us and making a bad situation worse. > > Chris. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason O. Washburn > Sent: 15 October 2007 20:13 > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the > steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > I can live with all this I just want Valve Admin tools so we don't have to > worry about updates breaking the server plug-ins. Heck why can't they do > all the cool plug-ins that people like?:-( > > Jason > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Barnett > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 2:02 PM > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the > steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > > Don't release it. You'll only artificially help keep a game going that > doesn't deserve your attention. > > Valve don't want mods, so as far as I'm concerned, TF2 can die the slow and > painful death it deserves. > > Chris. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony Paloma > Sent: 15 October 2007 19:15 > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the > steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > The filter is in place on Valve's end. You can't just "remove the filter." I > have created a working plugin to allow 32 player servers to still be listed, > but I am debating with myself whether or not I should release it. I have > ethical concerns as well as liking the attention that owning one of the few > 32 player servers brings. > > Releasing the plugin will: > a) Make Valve mad and find other ways to bring 32 player servers down that > us server admins certainly will not appreciate. > b) Diminish the value of the hard work that people like myself have done > just to get on the list since there will certainly all of a sudden be a > myriad of 32 player servers to choose from > c) ??? > d) Profit. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andreas Grimm > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 11:00 AM > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the > steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > Why not simply remove the filter? > > >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Tony Paloma >> Gesendet: Montag, 15. Oktober 2007 19:55 >> An: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com >> Betreff: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from >> the steam master servers, without any annoucment. >> >> Third option: Be creative and do what the other 30-32 player servers >> did to get on the list. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andreas Grimm >> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 10:50 AM >> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from >> the steam master servers, without any annoucment. >> >> I installed a plugin to have a 32 slot TF2 server. No hex edit/hack or >> something like that. It was a normal plugin --> And my server is still >> removed from the serverlist. >> >> Give a community the support to create addons/plugins/mod, but remove >> their servers if they use it... great! >> >> What should I do now? Live with it? ... No... >> >> Two options: >> - Shut down my server to run something else >> - Reduce to 24 slot with the known, that I will never play on my >> server, because it is too empty for me? --> Result is a not needed >> server --> Shut down to run something else... >> >> grr >> >> >>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >>> Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Thomas >>> Morton >>> Gesendet: Montag, 15. Oktober 2007 19:21 >>> An: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com >>> Betreff: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly >>> >> remove from >> >>> the steam master servers, without any annoucment. >>> >>> There's no need to be rude or offensive! If this has to be >>> >> discussed >> >>> then lets at least do it sensibly. >>> >>> Anyway..... >>> >>> Valve dont appear to be randomly removing servers with mods >>> >> from the >> >>> lists, they have apparently removed servers running mods >>> >> that allow 32 >> >>> players. It occurs to me they must have a reason for this >>> >> (it is not >> >>> as if it appears to be a particularly harmful mod). >>> >>> I very much doubt Valve are going to begin to removing >>> >> servers running >> >>> any mods they deem unsuitable (MetaMod:Source anyone?? :P). So far >>> there has been no reason for this removal - nothing from >>> >> Valve. Either >> >>> they are not going to say anything or there is a reason for the >>> silence. There could still be a very valid reason for >>> >> removing the 32 >> >>> man capacity! (No one seems to care about that possibility). >>> >>> Either Valve will say something concrete or we will never >>> >> know. If not >> >>> being able to run 32 man servers is putting many people off running >>> servers, or if it is killing many communities or if it is >>> >> putting many >> >>> players off the game because they can only play with 24 >>> >> people I have >> >>> no idea - but I would hazard it is not very many. >>> >>> Lets just face it 32 man servers are gone for the time being >>> - it's not a great thing but there it is. Maybe we should look to >>> getting what we have on offer running stably and get some good mods >>> going :) I have 7 TF2 servers going now (4 for one community 3 for >>> another) and they are all starting to hit their maxes - so >>> >> it is going >> >>> well. The 7th server I launched yesterday as the others >>> >> were getting >> >>> full. That's working out as better solution for the >>> >> communities than >> >>> 6 32 man servers actually. >>> Tom >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "Chris Barnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 6:00 PM >>> To: <hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> >>> Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly >>> >> remove from >> >>> the steam master servers, without any annoucment. >>> >>> >>>> Oh and Jonathon, >>>> >>>> Hinsight is such a great thing isn't it? Well, we've taken >>>> >>> note. When >>> >>>> you're server and you're community is affected by Valves >>>> >>> heavy handed >>> >>>> arrogance, we'll mock you like there was no tomorrow. >>>> >>>> You couldn't see that listing update coming and neither could we. >>>> Soooooooooooo..... >>>> >>>> What makes you think your server is going to be immune forever? >>>> >>>> What's that you said? You are going to keeps yours vanilla? >>>> >>>> TF2. R.I.P. >>>> >>>> >>>> Chris. >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan >>>> Leissler >>>> Sent: 15 October 2007 17:33 >>>> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com >>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly >>>> >>> remove from >>> >>>> the steam master servers, without any annoucment. >>>> >>>> I think people just need to grow up. >>>> >>>> Valve intended by design for their to be a 24 player limit. >>>> >>> They can >>> >>>> and will do whats in their best interest and/or needs. They never >>>> intended (at this >>>> time) to be above 24 people so they filtered them out. They have >>>> the right to do so. >>>> >>>> Don't like it? Then don't run a server. No one is forcing >>>> >> you to do >> >>>> anything. >>>> >>>> >>>> --- Kyrios <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Supposed >>>>> >>> to be funny >>> >>>>> ? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> zzzZZZzzz >>>>> >>>>> On 10/15/07, Chris Barnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> This is a multipart message in MIME format. >>>>>> -- >>>>>> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Hello, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Let's run a book on which servers Valve will >>>>>> >>>>> randomly filter out next, >>>>> >>>>>> without even so much as the decency to tell us. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 1) Australian servers. Let's face it, it's >>>>>> >>>>> those pesky Australians >>>>> >>>>>> who >>>>>> are so far up Valves sweet asses it must be >>>>>> >>>>> embarrassing for Valve. Those >>>>> >>>>>> Australians need to be taught a lesson to counter >>>>>> >>>>> balance all of that >>>>> >>>>>> Pacific rimming that's going on. >>>>>> >>>>>> 2) Servers that have an unusually high number >>>>>> >>>>> of players with 8 >>>>> >>>>>> digits. >>>>>> Come on let's face it. The 8 digit crew are all >>>>>> >>>>> noobs, snotty nosed >>>>> >>>>>> teenagers and haxors. >>>>>> >>>>>> 3) Servers outside the Western United States >>>>>> >>>>> that have an unusually >>>>> >>>>>> high number of players with 6 digits. If a server >>>>>> >>>>> attracts the old and >>>>> >>>>>> wise, >>>>>> they're community is going to be too smug. >>>>>> >>>>>> 4) Servers running FF. >>>>>> >>>>>> 5) Servers that sends the player into a >>>>>> >>>>> different world where there >>>>> >>>>>> is >>>>>> 1000's of custom skins and the admins have been >>>>>> >>>>> sad enough to invest 500 >>>>> >>>>>> odd >>>>>> man hours into creating a work of art, not to >>>>>> >>>>> mention the modding >>>>> >>>>>> communities whose total output dwarfs anything >>>>>> >>>>> that has come out of Valve. >>>>> >>>>>> 6) Servers that attract the top players. >>>>>> >>>>> C'mon something has to be >>>>> >>>>>> wrong, they're all hacking. >>>>>> >>>>>> 7) Servers that attract too many noobs. No >>>>>> >>>>> scrub that, they're all in >>>>> >>>>>> Washington State. >>>>>> >>>>>> 8) Servers that are running that new plugin, >>>>>> >>>>> which lies about the >>>>> >>>>>> total >>>>>> number of available slots.there's 32 slots but 24 >>>>>> >>>>> are advertised!!! >>>>> >>>>>> 9) Servers with unsuitable chat language for >>>>>> >>>>> minors. >>>>> >>>>>> 10) Servers with 2 slots, passworded, that say >>>>>> >>>>> "Valve doesn't listen to >>>>> >>>>>> server admins" as their server name. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Right. That's my list. Odds anyone? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or >>>>>> >>>>> view the list archives, >>>>> >>>>>> please visit: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> ... black holes are where god divided by zero. >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>> archives, please visit: >>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> ______________ >>> >>>> ________ >>>> Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives >>>> >> answers, not web >> >>>> links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the >>>> >>> list archives, >>> >>>> please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the >>>> >>> list archives, >>> >>>> please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the >>> >> list archives, >> >>> please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > I've seen a few but those are like critical bugs, this isn't a bug to them its a bug fix so I doubt they even care to read this anymore. --
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