Why because he has a valid point and you don't want to hear it?
Mike ParaDOX www.paradisesgarage.com -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DontWannaName! Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 5:21 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Is there a voteban option on this mailing list? Lets voteban Chris off this. ----- Original Message ---- From: Chris Barnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 2:15:12 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. It's in Valves interest to spoil us by allowing us to serve our gaming communities with varied and unique servers. Learn the history of the games and the countless mods that have kept those games alive for years. Glad that you acknowledge that we are "all moaning", if a brain donor like you notices that, then perhaps Valve will. :-) -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Shelley Sent: 15 October 2007 21:50 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Valve have spoilt you lot in the past by allowing you to customise this that and the other. Now they are preventing x,y and z from happening you're all moaning and whinning like female dogs. Get some f***ing perspective ffs. On 10/15/07, Mike Munoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The Silence from Valve is deafening... > > > Mike ParaDOX > > www.paradisesgarage.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Barnett > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 3:11 PM > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from > the steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > Valve "publicity" ? You mean marketing? Don't tell me that Clown > Lombardi is behind all of this. That man is responsible for the > abomination that is the Steam forums, you know. Where they went out > and found the worst trolling halfwits the internet has to offer and > gave them the keys to the Valve forums. The sooner Valve get's shot of > Lombardi better. > > Chris. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Morton > Sent: 15 October 2007 19:16 > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from > the steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > > > I'm not trying to be rude. It's just that everyday in this > > community, there is always some joker, who thinks it's big and > > clever to post up "Quit whinning, XXX isn't what I'm after, I'm > > alright Jack..yada yada yada" > > Fair point :) I share your viewpoint (albeit from the other side) - > and I did post something like that yesterday :( > > > As far as I'm concerned, it might as well be random. No one knew > > what Valve was going to do then, so what makes you think you know > > what they are going to do tomorrow, with regards for the "RANDOM > > REASON" to why they are removing servers from the list? > I dont think it's fair to hang this up with totally random stuff Valve > might do.. It's not like it was totally unexpected, the hack / mod > surfaced, people got excited and Valve publicly weren't happy with it. > I dont think randomly killed is fair - perhaps unexpectedly. They are > NOT going to turn round tomorrow and kill Eventscripts or MM:S and so > on.. (when they get to OB source). > > > With regards to metamod source. They might not remove metamod > > servers from the list, but you might find that your server has been > > removed because Valve didn't like a side effect of a particular > > metamod plugin. If they don't give us a clue as to what the rules > > are, then we have to assume that any plugin is a risk. > Sorry that was a joke - Im not MM:S fan :) > > > It doesn't matter how valid anyone thinks any reason the master list > > removal is. If server admins become scared to install plugins, > > because they don't know whether that plugin will incur the wrath of > > valves list server, then why bother writing and installing plugins? > Yes, and also no. This is 1 thing that has been pulled. If Valve start > pulling more I will reverse my opinion. But in this case they > obviously dont want 32 man servers and are (regardless of what anyone > says) well within their right to stop supporting them. Note they are > NOT killing the servers > - > simply removing them from the lists.... There may still be a deeper > reason for it to be pulled. > As a server admin I am not going to be scared to put mods on - and if > I do and the server disappears from the list I will remove the mods > (and probably bitch to high heaven about it if I feel it is unfair). > Your right though there are those that will be scared though - should > we not be reassuring them rather than bitching at Valve who are > obviously deliberately not replying. If they remove more servers - > then is the time to worry IMO and hit them with all the force the > community has got. > > > If you are happy with running 7 vanilla servers for the next 5 > > years, good for you. I'm not doing it and there are loads of others > > who won't. I'll feel sorry for you, when years down the line, they > > are all broken overnight, because Valve had petty reasons they > > deemed more important than you and your gaming community. > I don't see it - there is worry over CSS servers all the time (I have > run 10 of those for a long while by the way) - not to the same level > agreed - and they have not died a major death. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas > > Morton > > Sent: 15 October 2007 18:21 > > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove > > from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > > > There's no need to be rude or offensive! If this has to be discussed > > then lets at least do it sensibly. > > > > Anyway..... > > > > Valve dont appear to be randomly removing servers with mods from the > > lists, they have apparently removed servers running mods that allow > > 32 players. > > It > > occurs to me they must have a reason for this (it is not as if it > > appears to be a particularly harmful mod). > > > > I very much doubt Valve are going to begin to removing servers > > running any mods they deem unsuitable (MetaMod:Source anyone?? :P). > > So far there has been no reason for this removal - nothing from > > Valve. Either they are not going to say anything or there is a > > reason for the silence. There could still be a very valid reason for > > removing the 32 man capacity! (No one seems to care about that possibility). > > > > Either Valve will say something concrete or we will never know. If > > not being able to run 32 man servers is putting many people off > > running servers, or if it is killing many communities or if it is > > putting many players off the game because they can only play with 24 > > people I have no idea - but I would hazard it is not very many. > > > > Lets just face it 32 man servers are gone for the time being - it's > > not a great thing but there it is. Maybe we should look to getting > > what we have on offer running stably and get some good mods going :) > > I have 7 TF2 servers going now (4 for one community 3 for another) > > and they are all starting to hit their maxes - so it is going well. > > The 7th server I launched yesterday as the others were getting full. > > That's working out as better solution for the communities than 6 32 > > man servers actually. > > Tom > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > From: "Chris Barnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 6:00 PM > > To: <hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> > > Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove > > from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > > >> Oh and Jonathon, > >> > >> Hinsight is such a great thing isn't it? Well, we've taken note. > >> When you're server and you're community is affected by Valves heavy > >> handed arrogance, we'll mock you like there was no tomorrow. > >> > >> You couldn't see that listing update coming and neither could we. > >> Soooooooooooo..... > >> > >> What makes you think your server is going to be immune forever? > >> > >> What's that you said? You are going to keeps yours vanilla? > >> > >> TF2. R.I.P. > >> > >> > >> Chris. > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan > >> Leissler > >> Sent: 15 October 2007 17:33 > >> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove > >> from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. > >> > >> I think people just need to grow up. > >> > >> Valve intended by design for their to be a 24 player limit. They > >> can and will do whats in their best interest and/or needs. They > >> never intended (at this > >> time) to be above 24 people so they filtered them out. > >> They have the right to do so. > >> > >> Don't like it? Then don't run a server. No one is forcing you to do > >> anything. > >> > >> > >> --- Kyrios <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >>> -- > >>> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Supposed to be > >>> funny ? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> zzzZZZzzz > >>> > >>> On 10/15/07, Chris Barnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> wrote: > >>> > > >>> > This is a multipart message in MIME format. > >>> > -- > >>> > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Hello, > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > Let's run a book on which servers Valve will > >>> randomly filter out next, > >>> > without even so much as the decency to tell us. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > 1) Australian servers. Let's face it, it's > >>> those pesky Australians > >>> > who > >>> > are so far up Valves sweet asses it must be > >>> embarrassing for Valve. Those > >>> > Australians need to be taught a lesson to counter > >>> balance all of that > >>> > Pacific rimming that's going on. > >>> > > >>> > 2) Servers that have an unusually high number > >>> of players with 8 > >>> > digits. > >>> > Come on let's face it. The 8 digit crew are all > >>> noobs, snotty nosed > >>> > teenagers and haxors. > >>> > > >>> > 3) Servers outside the Western United States > >>> that have an unusually > >>> > high number of players with 6 digits. If a server > >>> attracts the old and > >>> > wise, > >>> > they're community is going to be too smug. > >>> > > >>> > 4) Servers running FF. > >>> > > >>> > 5) Servers that sends the player into a > >>> different world where there > >>> > is > >>> > 1000's of custom skins and the admins have been > >>> sad enough to invest 500 > >>> > odd > >>> > man hours into creating a work of art, not to > >>> mention the modding > >>> > communities whose total output dwarfs anything > >>> that has come out of Valve. > >>> > > >>> > 6) Servers that attract the top players. > >>> C'mon something has to be > >>> > wrong, they're all hacking. > >>> > > >>> > 7) Servers that attract too many noobs. No > >>> scrub that, they're all in > >>> > Washington State. > >>> > > >>> > 8) Servers that are running that new plugin, > >>> which lies about the > >>> > total > >>> > number of available slots.there's 32 slots but 24 > >>> are advertised!!! > >>> > > >>> > 9) Servers with unsuitable chat language for > >>> minors. > >>> > > >>> > 10) Servers with 2 slots, passworded, that say > >>> "Valve doesn't listen to > >>> > server admins" as their server name. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > Right. That's my list. 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