There's a major difference between actively discriminating based on collected data and organizing collected data for use when the situation dictates it. I'm aware a later email from Tony stated that this is more of a slippery slope situation than a problem with the exact scenario at hand, but this is still worth mentioning.
I view this situation, which as described by Spencer (Voogru) as well-founded and a fair use of the data. Essentially, Voogru is creating a fingerprint database for the players that pass through his servers and, when the situation shows that something has happened, he looks for a matching fingerprint. If there's no positive or there's conflicting data, then it's up to the admin to be responsible and make the correct decision (which I trust most people on this list can do). As a reactive tool, I support this completely. When it starts getting proactive, I think Tony's concerns are very tangible (as he stated regarding prejudicing against non-donators). -- Jason -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony Paloma Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 8:51 PM To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' Subject: Re: [hlds] Another command to crash servers. Fuckyay. But it's data mining. You should ask yourself if what you are doing (or asking to do) is ethical. Example data mining scenario: Ravi Singh works for one of the major credit card companies in their data-processing center. The company is continuously developing new products to offer to customers and add revenue to the corporation. He is an avid reader of the computer magazines and recently has been reading about data-mining tools that are now available for a reasonable cost. Ravi goes to his supervisor with the suggestion that their unit purchase one of these tools and use it to find out more about their customers. The information may be telling in terms of customer interest and capability. The supervisor likes the idea. After exploring the systems that are available, the unity purchases one and Ravi is assigned to explore patterns in the database of information on the company's customers and their purchasing habits. Ravi discovers that certain zip codes are highly correlated with loan defaults. These zip codes must be in low-income areas for the mined and analyzed data indicate that the company would reduce its losses significantly by refusing to extend credit to anyone living in twenty-five zip codes, while at the same time not significantly reducing their revenues. In other words, on average losses due to default generated by individuals in those zip codes were greater than revenue generated. Ravi continues with his data mining. Next he discovers a correlation between those who use their credit cards to make contributions to Hindu charitable organizations and those who charge over $40,000 a year on their credit cards. This information seems important. If the company made a special effort to solicit Hindu's as customers, it might be able to increase its revenues significantly. Ravi goes to his supervisor with the suggestion that they adopt these strategies. Has Ravi done anything wrong? If his company adopts these strategies, have they done anything wrong? -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 5:18 PM To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' Subject: Re: [hlds] Another command to crash servers. Fuckyay. Heh, I'm a statistical whore. I like to know everything I can, and it's particularly useful against players who abuse my server. For example, in one instance, Tony Paloma had some jackass lagging his server with an exploit, a quick check of the source of the malicious traffic coupled with the players IP instantly available with a simple query resulted in him finding out who the culprit was. That is why I store everything I possibly can, it always comes in handy later. Besides, every server logs this data in the server logs, I just make it accessible easily. - voogru. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rian Brooks-Kane Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 7:00 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Another command to crash servers. Fuckyay. Everyone loves stats and data. Rian _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
