This is what happens with a lot of the posts here. Someone puts a valid complaint out, then we get a few people with the holier than thou attitude that thinks they know better then anyone and from there it starts to twist. All this topic is now is who has the rights to post on this mailing list and what it's for. Does anyone know what the actual original topic was about? You guys complain about the people that post issues that are at hand and bash them, then you add the trolls and you end up with what we have now. I find it kind of funny for all the people that are saying that they hate posts like this, but end up posting more on it more then other people. If you don't like a post that is going around, instead of complaining about it yourself, ignore it. It's easy to setup rules to delete these messages since they have the same subject line (except the people that were complaining and had to change the subject line).
people complained about the custom tabs and look what happened. And to think people told them to just shut it and deal with it Karl Weckstrom wrote: > He's just a hungry troll needing to be fed :) > > I agree with CC2 - Valve owns this list, and it's not very useful without > their participation. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike Stiehm > Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 6:55 PM > To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' > Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen AndAnswer! --- they don't owe > you anything. > > Wow you are one annoying mofo > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of msleeper > Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 5:16 PM > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen AndAnswer! --- they don't owe > you anything. > > BUT WE HAVE TO PESTER THEM AND EVERYONE WHO READS THIS, EVERY HOUR OF > EVERY DAY > > GEEEEEEEEEEEEEZEEEEEEEEEEE > > On Thu, 2009-01-08 at 23:06 +0000, Craig Collinson wrote: > >> as valve has allready said they are aware of the problem and are working >> > on > >> it and they have NO ETA! >> jeesus >> >> 2009/1/8 Karl Weckstrom <[email protected]> >> >> >>> First of all, I made no mention of it today until Kingsley put his hat >>> > in > >>> the ring. Though I'm sure someone else would have anyway. >>> >>> I'm a vocal guy. That's not likely to change. If I have an opinion, I'll >>> express it whether people like it or not. I find it funny that I can say >>> nothing at the beginning of the day - but by the end of the day, I'M the >>> > one > >>> who's bitching. Hilarious indeed! >>> >>> Msleeper, in his usual style, decided to pitch in his 2 cents as well. >>> > He's > >>> entitled. He, like you, is bitching about my bitching. >>> >>> Call me insane if you like. Call my attempts to get answers bitching if >>> > you > >>> like. Call it whatever you want - because if you haven't figured this >>> > out by > >>> now, I don't really care what you think. I care about Valve's response >>> > to > >>> this problem, and a timeframe to its solution. >>> >>> Everything else is meaningless in this thread. This includes your post, >>> msleeper's post, and all the others complaining about our complaining - >>> which in the end isn't going to STOP our complaining - our gripe is >>> legitimate and we feel we are entitled to an answer. All you're adding >>> > is > >>> extra fluff - but again, you're entitled! >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] [mailto: >>> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Darren Gordon >>> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 5:46 PM >>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen AndAnswer! --- they don't >>> > owe > >>> you anything. >>> >>> But how are you looking for answers? Constantly bellyaching about a >>> problem is not looking for answers, it's bitching. This has been said >>> repeatedly, Valve has acknowledged the problem and have said they are >>> working on it. There is no timeframe, probably will never be one and >>> people repeating the same grievances over and over does NOTHING to >>> bring about either a resolution or a timeline for a fix. Yet still >>> here you are thinking you're fighting the good fight. >>> >>> Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting >>> different results. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jan 8, 2009, at 2:37 PM, Karl Weckstrom wrote: >>> >>> >>>> I'm ok with that. >>>> >>>> Let the people looking for answers look for their answers. >>>> And the people who are annoyed with it can just shut up and not make >>>> the problem worse :) >>>> >>>> Sounds like a plan to me! >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] [mailto: >>>> >>> [email protected] >>> >>>> ] On Behalf Of GM Chicken >>>> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 5:33 PM >>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen AndAnswer! --- they >>>> don't owe you anything. >>>> >>>> You both assume we all care about your opinions. >>>> >>>> Those of you who are anti-valve... do you really think one more >>>> email is >>>> going to make the difference? Do you think they will see your mail >>>> and feel >>>> it is so impressive that they have to reply? >>>> >>>> Those of you who are not, do you think that you will ever convince the >>>> others to change their opinions? >>>> >>>> How about we all try to get along? And more importantly, why don't >>>> we try to >>>> stop filling thousands of people's inboxes with drivel? >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> GM Chicken >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Karl Weckstrom" <[email protected]> >>>> To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list" >>>> <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 10:19 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen AndAnswer! --- they >>>> don't owe >>>> you anything. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Useless hyperbole. >>>>> >>>>> You know what they say - you're either part of the solution or part >>>>> of the >>>>> problem. You've clearly shown what side you're on. >>>>> >>>>> I'm not asking anyone to abide by my vision. You, on the other >>>>> hand, are >>>>> trying to cheerlead people into abiding by yours. >>>>> >>>>> Good luck with that. :) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of msleeper >>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 5:09 PM >>>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen And Answer! --- they >>>>> don't >>>>> owe you anything. >>>>> >>>>> BUT DARREN THIS IS NOT HOW KARL WOULD RUN THINGS IF IT WERE HIS >>>>> COMPANY, >>>>> HE HAS BEEN WORKING IN AN IT COMPANY FOR 60 YEARS AND HE WOULD FIRE >>>>> EVERY VALVE EMPLOYEE BECAUSE THEY DO NOT LIVE UP TO HIS IMMACULATE >>>>> STANDARDS AND EVERYONE MUST ABIDE BY KARL'S VISION OF HOW A FREE AND >>>>> UNSUPPORTED MAILING LIST SHOULD BE HANDLED. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, 2009-01-08 at 13:48 -0800, Darren Gordon wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Seriously? Have you ever been on a mailing list for a piece of >>>>>> software before? Go though the HLDS list archives and tell me that >>>>>> the content of the posts is in any way similar to now. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> In fact you know what, don't, Kingley is right, this whole >>>>>> conversation is pointless. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 8, 2009, at 1:30 PM, Karl Weckstrom wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> You aren't the one who needs to "get it". >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And no, I don't think I've mistaken anything. This is the dedicated >>>>>>> server mailing list. It's owned by Valve. Nowhere is it stated that >>>>>>> this is not to be used for "support" or "complaints". Did you make >>>>>>> that up? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>>> [mailto:[email protected] >>>>>>> ] On Behalf Of msleeper >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 4:22 PM >>>>>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen And Answer! --- they >>>>>>> don't owe you anything. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Posting 40, 50, and 60 page threads with COMPLAINTS THAT HAVE BEEN >>>>>>> MADE >>>>>>> FOR WEEKS is spam though, Karl. We get it, you have your panties >>>>>>> in a >>>>>>> wad. EVERYONE gets it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I really think you have mistaken this mailing list as some sort of >>>>>>> support or complaint forum. IT'S NOT! This mailing list is for >>>>>>> server >>>>>>> operators to help eachother. This is not a Valve support list. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, 2009-01-08 at 16:15 -0500, Karl Weckstrom wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Legitimate complaints != Spam. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Our concerns aren't being addressed. Like I've said before, I just >>>>>>>> want answers. I'm not telling Valve they suck - just the opposite. >>>>>>>> I've said many times they're the best in this space. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But being the best means being accountable. I'm just asking them >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> give us some kind of idea as to when this very serious problem >>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>> be fixed. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>>>> [mailto:[email protected] >>>>>>>> ] On Behalf Of Kingsley Foreman >>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 4:09 PM >>>>>>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen And Answer! --- they >>>>>>>> don't owe you anything. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I've stayed quiet on this one but seriously i'm sick of the spam. >>>>>>>> If you >>>>>>>> want to whine about Valve go create your own mail list and feel >>>>>>>> free to do >>>>>>>> it all you want. 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