I'm looking for an answer. 

Maybe valve will answer to this problem and give us some kind of timeframe. 
Maybe they won't. 

At least I'm trying, as are several others in here apparently. If you want to 
lay on your back and laugh over our futile attempts - again - you have that 
right, and I won't try to deny you of it.

-Karl


-----Original Message-----
From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com 
[mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Darren Gordon
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 5:30 PM
To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen And Answer! --- they don't owe 
you anything.

lolin' at you thinking ANY of this is helping.  At least by trolling  
there's no allusions about it.


On Jan 8, 2009, at 2:19 PM, Karl Weckstrom wrote:

> Useless hyperbole.
>
> You know what they say - you're either part of the solution or part  
> of the problem. You've clearly shown what side you're on.
>
> I'm not asking anyone to abide by my vision. You, on the other hand,  
> are trying to cheerlead people into abiding by yours.
>
> Good luck with that. :)
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com 
> [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com 
> ] On Behalf Of msleeper
> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 5:09 PM
> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
> Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen And Answer! --- they  
> don't owe you anything.
>
> BUT DARREN THIS IS NOT HOW KARL WOULD RUN THINGS IF IT WERE HIS  
> COMPANY,
> HE HAS BEEN WORKING IN AN IT COMPANY FOR 60 YEARS AND HE WOULD FIRE
> EVERY VALVE EMPLOYEE BECAUSE THEY DO NOT LIVE UP TO HIS IMMACULATE
> STANDARDS AND EVERYONE MUST ABIDE BY KARL'S VISION OF HOW A FREE AND
> UNSUPPORTED MAILING LIST SHOULD BE HANDLED.
>
>
> On Thu, 2009-01-08 at 13:48 -0800, Darren Gordon wrote:
>> Seriously?  Have you ever been on a mailing list for a piece of
>> software before?  Go though the HLDS list archives and tell me that
>> the content of the posts is in any way similar to now.
>>
>>
>> In fact you know what, don't, Kingley is right, this whole
>> conversation is pointless.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 8, 2009, at 1:30 PM, Karl Weckstrom wrote:
>>
>>> You aren't the one who needs to "get it".
>>>
>>> And no, I don't think I've mistaken anything. This is the dedicated
>>> server mailing list. It's owned by Valve. Nowhere is it stated that
>>> this is not to be used for "support" or "complaints". Did you make
>>> that up?
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com 
>>> [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
>>> ] On Behalf Of msleeper
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 4:22 PM
>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen And Answer! --- they
>>> don't owe you anything.
>>>
>>> Posting 40, 50, and 60 page threads with COMPLAINTS THAT HAVE BEEN
>>> MADE
>>> FOR WEEKS is spam though, Karl. We get it, you have your panties  
>>> in a
>>> wad. EVERYONE gets it.
>>>
>>> I really think you have mistaken this mailing list as some sort of
>>> support or complaint forum. IT'S NOT! This mailing list is for  
>>> server
>>> operators to help eachother. This is not a Valve support list.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, 2009-01-08 at 16:15 -0500, Karl Weckstrom wrote:
>>>> Legitimate complaints != Spam.
>>>>
>>>> Our concerns aren't being addressed. Like I've said before, I just
>>>> want answers. I'm not telling Valve they suck - just the opposite.
>>>> I've said many times they're the best in this space.
>>>>
>>>> But being the best means being accountable. I'm just asking them to
>>>> give us some kind of idea as to when this very serious problem will
>>>> be fixed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com 
>>>> [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
>>>> ] On Behalf Of Kingsley Foreman
>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 4:09 PM
>>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen And Answer! --- they
>>>> don't owe you anything.
>>>>
>>>> I've stayed quiet on this one but seriously i'm sick of the spam.
>>>> If you
>>>> want to whine about Valve go create your own mail list and feel
>>>> free to do
>>>> it all you want. [snip, for great justice]
>>>>
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