I'm not sure I'd agree with that Karl. I've only been a member of this list since last summer and there hasn't been much (if any) support or correspondence from Valve since then bar the announcement of upcoming updates. However I have still received welcome help to my questions as have others, as well as learning more from reading the answers to other member's questions (which I wouldn't sit and go through if I had to click through different threads on a forum).
If you want an example of how useful this mailing list is without Valve input just look at the timeout bug progress. While Valve has failed to fix it, members from this list have continued to look at the symptoms and try and work on a user-based fix until Valve has sorted it themselves. We now know what is (likely) the cause and quickly had a plugin released to put to the test and see if it works. If that doesn't work then members of this list will continue to share information and help each other out until we find something else. I honestly can't see the same level of support and 'community' happening if this were all in a forum section on the steam forums, and this was just one example let alone the countless other things members of this list have helped each other out with. Forum section just feel that bit more cold and impersonal. Doesn't sound like a useless mailing list to me nor a support line that should be taken down in a notion of "we can has forums!". If Valve wants to change anything, then maybe they should change the level of input they have in it. Matt -Long Live The List!- -----Original Message----- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Karl Weckstrom Sent: 10 February 2009 14:38 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists I agree with the sentiment that a mailing list is useless without valve reading it and/or responding. I also agree with moving it to a forum. While it's both good and bad for the same reason (everyone can see it), it's also a lot more exposing. I think big, glaring bugs should be seen for what they are. They shouldn't be kept within the confines of a mailing list that has a limited audience. Sometimes a little pressure from the internet at large is a good thing :) I think Valve is doing the right thing by putting a little pressure on themselves. -----Original Message----- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Matt 'mole' Ashton Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:33 AM To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists Also, other forums have been available for posting on (srcds.com, alliedmodders) and people are still here at the mailing list instead. Moving to the steam forums won't make everything more central, it will separate it as people will make their own unofficial mailing lists and other avenues of information rather than flock to the steam forums. Like many other people have said in these responses, I don't want another forum or website to remember to read, and I suspect by getting rid of this mailing list and forcing everyone to use the forum then over time you would lose a lot of the current knowledgeable and useful responders here and just end up with more "not-so-useful" posters on the steam forums. So then server administrators have lost another good form of support and discussion. Mailing list is convenient, you always get it and have your own copy and don't have to respond if you don't want to. If you don't like a topic then you can just erase all e-mails with that subject. You can read on something that you hadn't thought of or just erase all e-mails. You also have the preview pane in your e-mail client so its easy to go through the threads at a glance. It's always "just there". With a forum you have to go out of your way, clicking back and forth between threads rather than a glance and slowly people would drop off and you'd get less of the really helpful people around. I think this list is great and should be left as-is. I only signed up just under a year ago and has since caused me to look out for more useful mailing lists in other things I do regularly. Matt -----Original Message----- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Zover Mirklo Sent: 10 February 2009 08:23 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists No forums, no forum-mail gateways, no other unneeded stuff.. All is just fine with the mailing list - only needed information, almost only smart, mature people, easy to read, always available in my mailbox etc.. Oldschool stuff is the best. Speaking about moderators on steam forums from the mailing list members- its unsafe, their forum accounts could be hijacked (dont know how to say it in english), their passwords can be stolen etc and if some information will be lost on official steam forums or something else will happen who will take responsibility for this? Thats totally unneeded. I am happy you Valve reconsidered this (hopefully) and that you care what we all think about this..  I know you want to make things better but this is the case when there is really no need to change something about mailing list. Quoting O!KAK : I think best solutioin will be gateway (in both direction) to valve`s forum. 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