So, I still can't understand how or why you and a few others (Patrick Shelley and Dan Reinhardt come to mind) seem to think that the mailing list is an open channel to Valve or some sort of srcds Support or that it should be, when 1.) it says nowhere that it is and I am fairly sure it never has, and 2.) there are about a dozen better ways to get in touch with people at Valve, not to mention the people who post here who are personal friends with Valve programmers and other staff who can and do get direct contact.
You make it out to seem like Valve is totally oblivious to the problems that arise and exist for their own games, and that this mailing list is some sort of "last line of defense", and without out the constant droning that these problems would never get resolved. Yeah, it is great that at least some of the shit that gets posted here does get read by them, and the actual helpful members like our hero Nephyrin really do take great strides to make the world a better place. But the world is not going to end, bugs and exploits are already glaring enough, subce everyone wants to be a Youtube star with the next hottest exploit/grief. These problems would not be any more or less "exposed" with the list gone. I don't want to see the list go away either, and I think the Steam forums are horrible for a number of reasons which have more or less been said already. But if it does go away I am not gonna ragequit running servers just because I don't server talk in my email (or my iPhone - laugh out loud, is that a serious concern? If so, get a life), and you people who are saying you will are nuts. "Oh no, this list that has relatively nothing to do with the running or operation of my personal server has gone away! BRB uninstalling srcds." Give me a break. Though I would take bets on how long it would take for you to ragequit the forums too just because the mods don't take you seriously when you can't take a joke and get butthurt when the Ops don't care about your childish whining, like what happened in IRC. Now go ahead and post some response, and be sure to put a smiley face in it so that we all know you keep your cool when you get pissed because you're an idiot. Sent from my iWheel. Don't have one? Check them out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BnLbv6QYcA On Tue, 2009-02-10 at 09:37 -0500, Karl Weckstrom wrote: > I agree with the sentiment that a mailing list is useless without valve > reading it and/or responding. > > I also agree with moving it to a forum. While it's both good and bad for the > same reason (everyone can see it), it's also a lot more exposing. I think > big, glaring bugs should be seen for what they are. They shouldn't be kept > within the confines of a mailing list that has a limited audience. Sometimes > a little pressure from the internet at large is a good thing :) > > I think Valve is doing the right thing by putting a little pressure on > themselves. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com > [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Matt 'mole' Ashton > Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:33 AM > To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' > Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists > > Also, other forums have been available for posting on (srcds.com, > alliedmodders) and people are still here at the mailing list instead. Moving > to the steam forums won't make everything more central, it will separate it > as people will make their own unofficial mailing lists and other avenues of > information rather than flock to the steam forums. > > Like many other people have said in these responses, I don't want another > forum or website to remember to read, and I suspect by getting rid of this > mailing list and forcing everyone to use the forum then over time you would > lose a lot of the current knowledgeable and useful responders here and just > end up with more "not-so-useful" posters on the steam forums. So then server > administrators have lost another good form of support and discussion. > > Mailing list is convenient, you always get it and have your own copy and > don't have to respond if you don't want to. If you don't like a topic then > you can just erase all e-mails with that subject. You can read on something > that you hadn't thought of or just erase all e-mails. You also have the > preview pane in your e-mail client so its easy to go through the threads at > a glance. It's always "just there". > With a forum you have to go out of your way, clicking back and forth between > threads rather than a glance and slowly people would drop off and you'd get > less of the really helpful people around. > > I think this list is great and should be left as-is. I only signed up just > under a year ago and has since caused me to look out for more useful mailing > lists in other things I do regularly. > > Matt > > -----Original Message----- > From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com > [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Zover Mirklo > Sent: 10 February 2009 08:23 > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists > > No forums, no forum-mail gateways, no other unneeded stuff.. All is > just fine with the mailing list - only needed information, almost only > smart, mature people, easy to read, always available in my mailbox > etc.. Oldschool stuff is the best. Speaking about moderators on steam > forums from the mailing list members- its unsafe, their forum accounts > could be hijacked (dont know how to say it in english), their > passwords can be stolen etc and if some information will be lost on > official steam forums or something else will happen who will take > responsibility for this? Thats totally unneeded. I am happy you Valve > reconsidered this (hopefully) and that you care what we all think > about this..  I know you want to make things better but this is > the case when there is really no need to change something about > mailing list. > Quoting O!KAK : I think best solutioin will be gateway (in both > direction) to valve`s forum. > Somthing like this - > http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=92588 > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > Links: > ------ > [1] mailto:ga...@starlink.ru > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
