Bryan;
Try readin what i wrote before you comment. i am clearly being sarcastic
saying to send the 1.6 customers you refuse to me as i wont refuse them.
if you are a clan that just has a box and wanna move on for ads..... cya :)
my post was meant towards the hosting companies that are now refusing to
host 1.6 servers.
Paul
Bryan wrote:
Well your biggest mistake there is we OWN our own server we OWN the
bandwidth and we do our OWN manage so I do not see where you think we
are going to send you any buisness. We will start up different game/mods
in place of CS 1.6. We currently run CSS, BF2, Thunderwalker CTF and
others to name a few. This shut down is much more than a server shut
down. Our clan is stopping 1.6 altogether, so you go ahead and wait for
the buisness, just don't hold your breath to long.....
Crazy_One
Paul wrote:
Some of you are either stupid or ignorant.
It does cost valve to maintain 1.6 and they are also aware that the
advertising will end up with some smaller company's closing because only
the bigger ones will be able to afford the advertisements that will
matter.
There for people will not host them so cheaply as the bigger companies
will make use of the fact they can now monopolise this area.
Short term result is people will move onto Source (more people buying
the games) which is exactly what they want.
So all in all.
Go ahead go close ur 1.6 customers and send them my way to
www.budgetgamers.co.uk and watch me thrive because of your ignorance!
it is just another BUSINESS move by valve to maximise their money as we
all do!
At the end of the day our clients are aware of valve imposing this and
it is their choice to either play on or move to source at which i am
sure we will all still hoost the source servers no ?
Stratagise your business to move with what is going on and stop acting
like some little kiddies who just had their dummy taken away.
Kind Regards
Paul
Managing Director
Budget Gamers
Valtteri Kiviniemi wrote:
FFS. Why do you shut down your servers? You think that the
advertisements are on your servers? Well, they are not. The ad's are
downloaded directly from Valve's servers, not yours. The
ad-functionality is client-side not SERVER-SIDE. Your servers do not
have any ad's or so.
Don't whine please. HL is 10 years old game and maintaining the games
functionality cost much money to valve and the money has to come
somewhere.
Get a life or go fuck yourself.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] kirjoitti:
Hi Bryan, hi folks.
So did we! We have shutdown all CounterStrike1.6 servers so far until
valve
roll back or gives administrator an option to disable ANY
advertisement
serverside (so client dont see any advertisement when on their
servers!).
Valve has no costs at all to run our servers. In fact they try to
make money
with our knowledge, our infrastructure and our machines - our money!
For a
hoster its a nono to place advertisments for competitors but valve
tries to
force them to do so. any promises of valve are worthless if they
would state
not to do so. they have thrown away our trust in them and we will not
believe anything of valve but things the DO. words are patient - we
are not.
And to all hosters: shut down your cs1.6 servers, place a statement
on your
page why. Tell your customers that valve is responsible and they may
consult
THEM. Ofcourse that will cause to pay back some money to the
customers but
if we dont do it now, then valve will come away with this bad
attitude.
Dont let them get away with this!!!
Simon
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Gesendet: Samstag, 10. März 2007 06:31
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Betreff: Re: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads
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We have made that decision, our CS 1.6 server is down for good. In
game
advertising is wrong. Should they push it to CSS then we will shut
that
server
down as well.
Crazy_One
David Williams wrote:
if you read tyhe TOS it states that valve can change of modify them
without notice and at will. Also you have no case to return the game
for
an excahnge as youare outside (in th UK atleast) the maximum time you
are allowed to do so (this is 30 days). You could try complaining to
valve but considering the first page of this you'd have a job getting
what you want.
At the end of the day there is nothing we can do short of shutting
down
the servers to whatever period in time we choose. It's just i have a
feeling that considering there is a large amount of money involved on
our end i don't think that will happen.
We'll just have to put up and shut up and deal with the cards we have
been dealt.
Thomas S. Crum - AAA Web Solution wrote:
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It would clearly be a breach of implied contract. Any judge
understands
paid for software is different than ad supported software and
furthermore
the software was initially purchased and used without ads. Now the
deal
was changed without your agreement.
Have you contacted Valve for a refund of your money, since you no
longer
agree with the updated terms of use? I would start there.
A tweak here or there can be made w/in a TOS, but I would argue this
is a
material change and a breach of contract if they don't refund your
money.
Under deposition I would determine if this wasn't planned even years
before. Now we get into that whole tort thing that gets you punitive
damages... Big$. lol
Furthermore, does it clearly state that the ads are part of Valve and
not
the server itself that you are playing on? If not, then as a server
owner
I want to share in the revenue.
If they won't give you a refund, find some attorney. This would
definitely
fall into "class" action status.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Parker Lewis
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 2:37 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads
First my personal statement on the new ads: I hate them.
Mostly the annoying topleft banner (did ya recently played
deathmatch/gungame? A 3 seconds delayed spawning makes this
ad really disturbing..).
The question I have is: Is it legal? You can apply it on
everything: buying something ad-free, which is unstoppable
selfupdating to another ad-version, is against my
understanding of a contract of sell. But probably I'm right
and we have the right to bring the game back receiving the
money - but we wont do it ;).
As a customer of HL:CS Im feeling a little bit twit by Valve.
But again, I could exchange the game :).
If someone starts some action against this (e.g. a day
shutting down / password protecting all of our servers), I
woul thankful participate. Just to let out my disaffection.
And to let out some tears..
Moreover I can't do more, as activating a bunch of plugins,
anti-advertising the Valve ads. I know, this is really
childish. But what to do else? Taking Valve to court? :)
--- Frederick P <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[4] schrieb:
Well, they are finally here... a lot of negative feedbacks
so far... I
personally don't see the reason to have in game Ads. People paid
for the
product, they deserve having a product without Ads. It makes more
sense for
a Free version of CS 1.6 to be released that has Ad support and
also giving
an "option" for people to buy the game which will remove the Ads.
This is
truly annoying. Valve only has vac and authentication servers,
Valve isn't
the company that hosts the actual game servers for people to play
on. I
don't see any reason for this idea to be added to Ad unless if it
is a
marketing scheme to kill off CS 1.6 and get people into CS Source.
Feedback?
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