Interesting. Why the game doesn't pick the lowest ping server in custom server list and inform the master server? I rarely get no available slots if I join games from quick search. It seems to me that GeoIP is pretty inefficient since shorter distance doesn't guarantee fast connection. I ran a traceroute to Valve Seattle servers the hop before the last one(on Qwest) has almost 90ms+ ping, which directly contributes to 120ms+ ping for most players.
On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 5:59 PM, ics <i...@ics-base.net> wrote: > You mean preferring "official dedicated" over best available dedicated? That > used to be other way around, best available being the default but the server > owners that set up crappy mods and such made the steampowered user forums > community whine enough so it was changed to official dedicated about a year > ago. Both are to blame, server owners and Valve for listening the whiners. > Now Valve servers have some custom campaigns (the featured lucky picked > ones) and official campaigns and rest custom ones are literally "left 4 > dead". > > I had a discussion off list last summer with Milton from Valve about ending > up on a US server from Europe and as i recall, he said something about > master servers using geo-ip system where the lobby assigns nearest server > possible. Obviously if the IP has wrong information about it's location, it > can be a mess. However, i have no idea what the situation is today as i have > not played L4D2 but i do run servers for it along with custom campaigns, > lots of them. > > All i know is that there is 10000 L4D2 players and whenever i initiate a > server serch of lobby or ongoing game on L4D2, i see about 2 games available > by average. The whole system seems somehow broken as no proper servers are > assigned that actually would have the custom campaign installed that the > player is trying to play and there aren't games available for those who > would play it. I guess the situation is different on US continent. > > -ics > > 26.4.2011 0:38, Christoffer Pedersen kirjoitti: >> >> I have tried ending out on a US l4d server because no european were >> available. I know this because of the ping, and i have also tried to lookup >> the ip on infosniper and do some traceroutes. >> >> I have really never understanded the idea of preferring their own servers >> instead of the other thousands of severs around the world, when they >> certainly doesn't have enough capacity to handle all the players.. >> >> And playing a l4d game with 150~ ping is a no-go.. >> >> /Chris >> >> Sent from my iPhone 4 >> >> Den 25/04/2011 kl. 14.47 skrev ics<i...@ics-base.net>: >> >>> The system (lobby server search) doesnt even work all the time as it >>> should. It searches from all servers out there close to one that started the >>> search, if they have certain campaign installed and give the first server >>> that is free and is a match (has campaign installed that is searched for). >>> Or Should give. Some Valve person can correct me if i am wrong but i >>> remember someone saying that the one who performs the lobby search, gets >>> data (list of available servers) from master server in fragments. >>> >>> Then the data shown in sv_showtags output is read (or the master server >>> has already that and it can be looked into on the fly) and if there is a >>> match, all head full. If the fragment of servers does not contain valid >>> servers, server searcher gets more of those fragments from master server (it >>> was 50 servers per fragment or so). This keeps going at what, 30 seconds? At >>> this time, usually 2 things happen. No servers are found from the ~200-300 >>> it can go through before the search timeouts and local host game is started >>> automatically or the search will never end and no free servers are found >>> that has particular campaign installed that the user wants to play. >>> >>> So, if there are only few servers around with particular custom >>> map/campaign that the players want to play and search server for it, it will >>> never get to that point and ends up being played localhost instead. Also the >>> search fails if the players are from US and the servers that has that addon >>> installed, are from Europe. I have a good example of this. I got many >>> friends over US that end up being playing on localhost because there are no >>> free servers in their continent and the search fails. I know for a fact that >>> there are 11 servers on Europe, some that were even free at that time when >>> the server search was initiated. >>> >>> -ics >>> >>> 25.4.2011 13:58, Eric Riemers kirjoitti: >>>> >>>> I know bullit 2 is true. It sends the addons map to the master server, >>>> so >>>> that public players wanting to play a certain custom map can also end up >>>> on >>>> your server (which is a good thing because customs hardly have enough >>>> servers sometimes) I have not seen that message of "too much" but I only >>>> have a few, there are some addon maps which crash and make your server >>>> 100% >>>> cpu or even give other characters strange habbits (like floating zoey) >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com >>>> [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of >>>> realdreams >>>> Sent: maandag 25 april 2011 8:12 >>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list >>>> Subject: [hlds_linux] L4D/L4D2 Lobby reservation >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> I don't know how exactly lobby reservation works. Yesterday I saw a >>>> couple >>>> lines in console saying reservation failed because map doesn't exist. >>>> Can >>>> someone explain how lobby match making system works in l4d/l4d2? >>>> >>>> 1. How does master server pick server for lobby? When does it happen? >>>> I notice mm_dedicated_force_servers doesn't not reserve a server until >>>> the >>>> game starts. And no reservation information in console unless there is >>>> an >>>> error. >>>> >>>> 01:58:02 L 04/25/2011 - 01:58:00: World triggered "Round_Start" >>>> 01:58:02 L 04/25/2011 - 01:58:00: [META] Loaded 0 plugins (1 already >>>> loaded) >>>> 01:58:02 L 04/25/2011 - 01:58:00: Preventing spawning >>>> 01:58:03 L 04/25/2011 - 01:58:00: server_message: "quit" >>>> 01:58:03 L 04/25/2011 - 01:58:00: Log file closed >>>> 01:58:03 L 04/25/2011 - 01:58:00: server_message: "restart" >>>> 01:58:03 L 04/25/2011 - 01:58:00: Log file started (file >>>> "logs/.................log") (game "left4dead2/left4dead2") (version >>>> "4490") >>>> 01:58:03 L 04/25/2011 - 01:58:00: Loading map "c1m1_hotel" >>>> 01:58:03 L 04/25/2011 - 01:58:00: server cvars start >>>> >>>> 2. I used to have a lot of addon maps and every time I restart the >>>> server >>>> console says something like too many addon maps, not advertising >>>> blahblah >>>> map. So servers actually send available map list to master server? And >>>> those >>>> maps not advertised normally never get used? What can explain that lobby >>>> reservation failure(map doesn't exist on server) >>>> >>>> 3. Does server have control over lobby reservation? I know lobby >>>> reservation >>>> can be removed with sm plugins. Can server modify lobby information like >>>> permission(friend only/ public), game mode( from what I remember if >>>> lobby >>>> reservation exists, forcing game mode change on server sends all players >>>> back to lobby) and full/ not-full. I am not sure if there is a flag for >>>> full >>>> or only number matters. If a server has more than 8 slots, can players >>>> join >>>> the server via quick search in game? l4dtoolz can patch match making and >>>> shows more available slots in steam group servers. Will master server >>>> send >>>> players to a server that already has 8 players(like 8/16)? >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>> please visit: >>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>> please visit: >>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
