Quoting John Stacy:

>
> I am the same high school player who comes on occasionally, asking   
> about many things.
> This time it is the second time I'm coming on about equipment.
>
> If you don't want my history, then skip the next block of text.

I think knowing your history is essential to any answer.

I agree with the advice to ask your college horn professor if he  
prefers a certain kind of horn. Personally, I think **WAAAAY* too much  
is made of hardware, but my opinion and a buck will get you coffee if  
you go someplace cheap; and since you don't have an axe of your own,  
there's no point in getting something that won't get your college horn  
professor's Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval.



> I play on a school horn, a Conn 8D.

There are bad 8D's. Even Elkhart 8D's. There are also 8D's that have  
been mistreated, badly repaired, or left unrepaired that started out  
good but went bad.

My experience trying a lot of horns is that eventually I go back to my  
8D. It sounds like you've only tried these other horns for a  
relatively short period of time, which, IMHO, is not enough to tell  
how you'd like them long term. A couple of weeks, or, better yet, a  
month is more like it. After that length of time, I usually end up  
sounding the same as I do on my 8D (I've recorded myself and don't  
think even I could tell which horn if I hadn't announced it on the  
recording!), and, if I've found something about the new horn that I  
like better than my old horn, I generally also either find something I  
don't like nearly as well or that there's some "deal breaker" or "show  
stopper" (e.g., bad intonation on a few notes) that make me unwilling  
to switch instruments.

I also agree that a triple is too much horn--and, from what you said  
below, too expensive--for you right now. It may be true, as a good  
friend and local pro has told me, that the profesional world is moving  
toward triples; however, at the moment, the standard professional  
instrument is still a double, and professional-level players  
(definitely including my friend!) can get the job done on a double.  
Heck, the Vienna Philharmonic gets the job done every night on a  
single F!



> Plus I had a high range.  Like a real high range. From the  high G  
> to an octave above that just sung out.

This makes me nervous. If your only basis for comparison was the dog  
of an 8D, I'd ascribe this to the two horns, in particular to the 8D  
being, uh, a less-than-stellar example of the breed. However, by your  
own admission you've played some other horns that were good. So I  
suspect something was causing you to use your chops, air, or both  
differently. Whether "differently" means better or worse, I have no  
idea without hearing and seeing you play. Whether this phenomenon  
would last if you had the Schmid for a few weeks is also very much  
open to question, IMHO, because if you are using muscles differently,  
they may start to rebel, with the result that you'd be back to the  
same high range you had before. Or maybe not. As I said, it's  
impossible to know without seeing & hearing you.



> Is there a way where I can just get a random horn, test it, get   
> another, test it, etc?

Probably, but by the time you pay for shipping and insurance both  
ways--and you will--a couple of times, you could just pay for a trip  
to a shop that has several horns of the type you're interested in. Air  
fare, particularly bought well in advance, is pretty cheap. It won't  
take much shipping to go through a few hundred bucks. If you find one  
or more horns that seem like contenders, you could also ask a pro in  
the area where the horn resides to check it out for you. Though this  
would cost, again, it would be cheaper than a lot of shipping.



> Preferably without a down payment needed?

Probably not, unless they already know you well.



> I don't want to ask this of the list, because I don't think I would   
> want my baby sent to some highschooler for testing.

Anybody who sells anything should realize two things: 1) They have to  
talk to people, and a lot of the people they talk to aren't going to  
end up being customers; and 2) They are going to have to let people,  
including those who don't end up being customers, examine and test the  
merchandise. If they don't, they are fools (I'd actually call them  
something else if this were not a family-oriented forum) who hopefully  
will go out of business quickly. Unless someone's selling a horn that  
never makes clams, plays out of tune, and has a gorgeous sound  
(whatever your aesthetic of sound), he can't afford an attitude. Trust  
me, there aren't any horns you're going to be interested in that you  
can't get from someone else. (This is true of almost everything in  
life.) So, though I certainly think you should be polite and  
respectful (and think you are, based on your posts), I also don't  
think you should take any crap off a seller.

HTH.

Howard Sanner
[email protected]


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