Interesting sidebar, in a previous life I spent some time in the oil and gas bidniz. One of the guys I worked with held a position in an Amoco (as I recall) Refinery in Texas City. Amoco had purchased some process units built in Germany in the 1930s. The inspectors stamps on the steel fabrications all bore the swastika of the Nazi government.
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Hans Pizka Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 1:39 AM To: [email protected]; The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] 1926 NY Phil The strongest anti-nazi laws are in Austria. Any of their symbols is outlawed. The law dates from the time, when Austria was still occupied. The swastika can still be seen on most Buddhist monuments, figures, scripts as it defines the sun & the wheel of life (abstracted, as there is the full wheel symbol also used widely). Yes, and I have seen it on many temples or shrines in India also. Just to confirm. If an old horn has the swastika engraved & dates from prior 1930, it could have been used by an SS-brass-band or owned by an "adorer" of this political terror movement. Yes, if the horn is inspected by customs & one has to show it to the "wrong" person, it could become confiscated (rarely) in Germany, but would be confiscated in Austria, if no valid explanation can be offered. But why not camouflage it by an elegant plaque ? ####################################################################### Am 11.08.2010 um 07:45 schrieb Steve Haflich: > Milton -- > > The swastika you describe on this horn almost certainly _is_ a Nazi > swastika. There is a good history of the swastika at > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika which explains that > > - The swastika was derived (apparently independently) by several > indigenous cultures. > > - There is probably a common derivation among Asian and European > cultures -- going back millennia -- from Hindu symbology. There is a > (unrotated) related swastika in Japanese kanji going back into > antiquity. (It is still used on maps as a marker for Buddhist temples > -- I have modern maps with this symbol.) > > - Prior to the adoption by the Nazi party, the symbol was not > particularly associated with evil -- rather the opposite. It has a > long and benign history even in Europe. > > - But even before Hitler became chancellor of the Nazi party, the > symbol had been officially adopted by the Nazi party in 1920, and > used unofficially even earlier. > > - Use or display of the swastika is prohibited in Germany today, > except for its use as a symbol in religious context. Germany tried > to get this prohibition extended to the entire EU, but this was > rejected. (I don't know if there are in Germany exceptions for > historical items, but probably there are.) > > Anyway, Milton, it is almost certain the swastika on your horn has > some relation to the Nazi emblem. (Were there any Buddhists working > at Alex in the 1920's?) That in itself is harmless especially if the > date was 1930, prior to Nazi ascendancy. But I wouldn't travel with > this particular horn to any gigs in Germany. Could invite trouble at > the airport. > _______________________________________________ > post: [email protected] > unsubscribe or set options at > https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/hpizka%40me.c > om _______________________________________________ post: [email protected] unsubscribe or set options at https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.ne t _______________________________________________ post: [email protected] unsubscribe or set options at https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
