William, this is not a good analogy to the situation at hand here that we
are speaking of at the Philharmonic. These are not "learn on the job
players" these are guys with lots of experience and in some cases play
comparable positions in other orchestras or are retired and have played
comparable positions. They will never switch extras to a full time job
without an audition. They pay the benefits based on the salary they are
paying. 

Actually if there are more players then there are jobs as you say why so
many openings.

On 8/11/10 11:07 AM, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:

> I guess you could parlay this into the temp/full-time worker transition
> with most businesses. A lot of businesses will save money by hiring temps that
>  can get on-the-job training and they can save money by not paying them
> full  benefits like health or dental insurance or overtime. Salaried positions
> tend to  involve more money than temporary workers who may not even be
> allowed overtime.
>  
> I've been in this position myself with one job (non-music job). They found
> every excuse in the book to keep me as a 'temp hire' before switching me to
> a  full employee. Eventually I found out that while they were paying the
> temp  agency a cut, it was far less than the $10,000 a year they had to shell
> out (or  so they said) to hire me full time.
>  
> Once you start adding in 401ks, health, dental, and a possible pension, you
>  could end up paying a good 10 or 20% over the salary just to make ends
> meet.
>  
> As for music jobs, I've always said this and I'll keep saying it: There are
>  more qualified players than there are openings just about anywhere you go
> (in  the US). The chances that you'll make it with a comfortable salary as a
> horn  player are slim. It never hurts to have a backup plan because living
> below the  poverty line is never fun. Unfortunately not many teachers say
> this because they  are the haves. It's difficult for the haves to warn the
> have-nots.
>  
> -William
>  
>  
> 


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