Actually Milton this is not an 802 issue. The ladies and gentlemen of any orchestra collectively vote on and agree to a CBA. Same in Buffalo you are in the end responsible for your destiny. The tenured members of an orchestra vote on the contract not the whole of the union. This is obviously a huge issue in town for a variety of reasons. I think there is a big incentive to hire full time players stability is one of the things that make great orchestras great. The business is on the decline for a whole variety of reasons.
On 8/11/10 11:21 AM, "Milton Kicklighter" <[email protected]> wrote: > I am surprised that local 802 would allow this difference in pay. If you are > good enough to be hired for a NY Phil gig, then you should be paid the minimum > wage the same as any full time player in the orchestra. The orchestra is > already saving on the benefits paid for those part time musicians. And you > are > correct that there are many many wonderful players in 802 most of which could > fill the positions full time. > > So???? what is the incentive to ever fill a position with a full time player > when you can just hire part timers and save a bundle??? > > Another indication as to where the business is going. > > When I joined the Buffalo Phil in 1967 the orchestra was 87 musicians and we > had > a 38 week season. The management staff consisted of five people. Now the > orchestra is 72 members and there is a 36 week season and the staff is around > 30 > people. What does that tell you guys and girls???? Is it anymore about the > "music." Conductors, management and guest artist salaries have grown > tremendously, while musician salaries have in many cases been going down or if > they are lucky, have barely kept up with inflation. > > Just the opinion of a now retired horn picker. > > Milton > Milton Kicklighter > 4th Horn Buffalo Philharmonic > Retired > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Debbie Schmidt <[email protected]> > To: The Horn List <[email protected]> > Sent: Wed, August 11, 2010 10:54:01 AM > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] fitting in as part of getting a job > > Sure subs use to be paid the same as a section fiddle player, or said > another way, minimum contractual salary for the Philharmonic. Now subs > (those hired on a week to week basis) get paid based on the CBA for > freelance orchestras in NY about 25-30% less per week. Once they hire you > for the season (I would need to check if there is a stipulation for long > term other then the season) you are paid at the minimum Philharmonic rate. > There are a whole set of issues arising around wanting people for the season > but unwilling to commit for the season because of the increase in pay. > > > > > On 8/11/10 10:45 AM, "Avrum H. Golub, M.D., J.D." <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> What are the two tiers, Debbie? >> Avrum >> >>> From: Debbie Schmidt <[email protected]> >>> Reply-To: The Horn List <[email protected]> >>> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 10:34:51 -0400 >>> To: The Horn List <[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: [Hornlist] fitting in as part of getting a job >>> >>> Dan and it is cheaper since the Philharmonic went to a 2 tier pay system. >>> >>> >>> On 8/11/10 10:26 AM, "PatentDan Feigelson" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hans, did you see the article last month in the New York Times about the >>>> large >>>> number of vacancies in the NY Philharmonic (not just in the horn >>>> section)? It >>>> could have been written by you. The article mentioned that it's not a lack >>>> of >>>> talented players but more a matter of finding someone who will fit into the >>>> section that has resulted in so many vacancies. If anything, the number of >>>> talented musicians in New York means the Philharmonic can take its time >>>> filling the vacancies, since finding a substitute or extra for any >>>> particular >>>> series isn't difficult. >>>> >>>> DJF >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> post: [email protected] >> unsubscribe or set options at >> https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/jasoncat%40aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > post: [email protected] > unsubscribe or set options at > https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/kicklighgter%40yahoo. > com > > > > _______________________________________________ > post: [email protected] > unsubscribe or set options at > https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/jasoncat%40aol.com _______________________________________________ post: [email protected] unsubscribe or set options at https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
