Don't forget though, Phil Farkas played an 8D in the Chicago Symphony in the 
50s and another member of the section (sorry I'm blanking on whom at the 
moment) played a 28D.  Gail Williams was runner up playing an 8D on one of the 
CSO auditions before the one where she won the job.  

Rob wrote:

For us Americans think of it like a 8D player getting into the Chicago 
symphony.?
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