Also, for those interested, here is the last ICSOM agreement for the  DSO:
 
_http://www.icsom.org/settlement/detroit.html_ 
(http://www.icsom.org/settlement/detroit.html) 
 
-William
 
 
In a message dated 2/11/2011 6:31:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[email protected] writes:

Hello  Luke, William, Howard & esteemed colleagues of the Horn List,

I am  the second horn of the Detroit Symphony Orchestra. The most accurate 
and  comprehensive information about our strike can be found by visiting our 
 website:

detroitsymphonymusicians.org

This will explain our  position and answer most questions. Feel free to 
contact me off the list if  needed.

Best,

Bryan Kennedy
Second Horn
Detroit Symphony  Orchestra
Adjunct Professor
University of Michigan School of  Music

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 11, 2011, at 5:59 PM, Luke Zyla  <[email protected]> wrote:

> The details of negotiations  between musicians and management are rarely 
made public regardless of what  union is involved.  It is frustrating to 
read vague reports, but to make  details public during negotiations would make 
dealings difficult for those  involved.  The important point is that for the 
Detroit Symphony to remain  a major orchestra, pay and working conditions 
must be competitive with other  orchestras of similar caliber.  The work of 
the musician's unions over  the years have made it possible for Americans to 
enjoy some of the finest  symphony orchestras in the world.  I wish all the 
best for the musicians  of the Detroit Symphony.  Even though I have never 
heard a live concert  by the DSO, their influence on musical culture in the 
US over the years has  been significant.
> 
> CORdially,
> Luke Zyla, second  horn
> West Virginia Symphony Orchestra
> Local 136 AF of  M
> 
> On Feb 11, 2011, at 5:40 PM, [email protected]  wrote:
> 
>> Being an outsider (non-union non-contracted  musician) I can tell you 
that  
>> most people in my shoes (but  those who don't play anything) never will  
>> understand  contract disagreements like this and when this happens will 
almost   
>> always look down on the orchestra (including the musicians).  
>> 
>> The same can be said for the writers strike that  happened a few years 
ago  
>> and the few union disputes that  have happened in the steel and auto 
>> industry.  Most people  didn't care and were more upset over the loss of 
their 
>>  favorite  shows or not being able to get that new car they  wanted.
>> 
>> Unless articles like these detail why the  musicians went on strike or 
what  
>> was so bad - the public  will still remain clueless. Most people don't 
have 
>> a   pension, so the loss of one won't gain much sympathy, and 'rules 
>>  governing  tenure and dismissal' are pretty vague. 
>>  
>> I'd like to know more about what went on.
>>  
>> -William
>> 
>> 
>> In a message dated  2/11/2011 5:24:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
>>  [email protected] writes:
>> 
>> Here's a   link to an article dated Feb. 9, 2011, about the Detroit  
>>  Symphony's  (apparently continuing) contract  problems:
>>  
>>  http://www.freep.com/article/201102091240/ENT04/110209052
>>  
>> I'll  refrain from comment, though it's hard to do  so.
>> 
>> Howard  Sanner
>>  [email protected]
>> 
>> 
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