If you want to make a soft, gradual entrance and a definitive ending on a note, then, without changing the usual embouchure, try to pronounce an "ff" sound at the beginning, which is mostly, but not completely stopped. Then slowly bring in the vowel "-a-a-a-r-r- . . ." and finish abruptly with the "t":
f-f-f-a-a-a-a-a-r-r-t Perfecto! On 7/5/2011 4:16 PM, Hans Pizka wrote: > How about thinking "tam" instead of "tu-t" or "taht" or worse "th-at" or > "th-ut" ???? > Or just without any syllable in mind, just initiating the sound by the > tongue-gum (palatum)-valve& > end the air support - just ending, nothing else. Seems very simple to me. > > The vowel "u" or "oo" or "o" is to be avoided, as darkening the tone too > much. But there is another suitable vowel: the Tyrolean "ar" !!! (no joke: > too bright for an "o" or far too bright for an "u", but much darker than > "eh", "e", "ee" or simple "a". > > Well, things look different, if one is used to "blow" the horn, resulting in > this special hollow noise, special produced on many Bb-horns& by many > Bb-players& also resulting in this typical zischhhhh ..... > > Basic things in music must function more or less spontaneous, but must become > meliorated later. > > ########################################################## > Am 05.07.2011 um 21:04 schrieb Milton Kicklighter: > >> Wendell, >> >> I have just been watching your video on stopping notes with the tongue. I >> must say the way you do it.... and you would have to show me in more >> detail.... there is not that very unpleasant TUT sound that you would >> normally get by stopping the note with the tongue. You illustrate that very >> bad TUT sound very well in the beginning of the video. >> >> I guess my question is: Why would you not start a student tonguing in the >> traditional way first? I could see that if there is a problem with >> tongueing one might want to go try something else. I think I understood you >> to say that you started with the SWT method first and just didn't change. >> How do you think you might have progressed if you had learned the >> traditional way? Did you use the SWT method because you had a problem or >> was that the method your teacher taught? The sound you get when you use >> your method is certainly ok and doesn't have any of that bad TUT problem. >> >> I did try a little using toot and tut. I found that when using toot the tip >> of the tongue was farther back from the upper teeth than when using tut, and >> did not produce a ugly ending. Very interesting. >> >> I do think that most people thought... as did I... that the SWT method >> would create the nasty TUT sound that you illustrate in the beginning of >> your video. And without the proper instruction, I think that is the sound >> that most people would get when using the SWT method. For that reason >> alone... proper instruction... I don't think I would ever start a student >> using that method. >> >> There is an older recording out there of one of the great orchestral horn >> players that illustrates this point very well. Jimmy Chambers play-es the >> horn. Jimmy is gone now so I don't think he would mind me bringing this up >> and since I have always admired him as one of the really great orchestral >> horn players, I think I can be forgiven for saying this. His tonguing on >> that recording sort of reminds me of what I think a machine gun would sound >> like on the battle field, and I think that kind of sound is what most of us >> visualize when we think of SWT playing. >> >> I plan to fool around with it a little and I will let you know what I think. >> That is if I can make it work for me. Since I don't have to "perform" any >> more, it might be fun to try out something new. >> >> Regards. >> >> Milton >> >> Milton Kicklighter >> 4th Horn Buffalo Philharmonic >> Retired >> >> From: Wendell Rider<[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2011 1:25 PM >>> Subject: [Hornlist] Please check this new link for tonguing video! >>> >>> >>> On Jul 5, 2011, at 10:00 AM, [email protected] wrote: >>> >>>> Message: 2 >>>> Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 12:03:26 -0700 >>>> From: Wendell Rider<[email protected]> >>>> Subject: [Hornlist] Another try...Short tonguing video >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Message-ID:<[email protected]> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>>> >>>> OK, my link to the short tonguing movie didn't work, even though i mailed >>>> it to myself and it did work. >>>> >>>> here is the full address. >>>> >>>> http://web.me.com/wrider/Real_World_Horn_Playing/Movies.html >>>> >>>> Sincerely >>>> Wendell Rider >>>> For information about my book, "Real World Horn Playing" and the DVDs, go >>>> to my website: www.wendellworld.com >>> >>> Sorry folks. Chalk it up to post symposium recuperation disorder. I am >>> redoing my web site and building a new one. The right address for the >>> tonguing video is now: >>> >>> http://web.me.com/wrider/Real_World_Horn_Playing/Videos.html >>> >>> Unfortunately, this video will also be moving to its permanent address >>> again in a day or so, but this address will be valid for a while. >>> Wendell Rider >>> For information about my book, "Real World Horn Playing" and the DVDs, go >>> to my website: www.wendellworld.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> post: [email protected] >>> unsubscribe or set options at >>> https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/kicklighgter%40yahoo.com >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> post: [email protected] >> unsubscribe or set options at >> https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/hpizka%40me.com > _______________________________________________ > post: [email protected] > unsubscribe or set options at > https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/goldberg%40wccnet.org _______________________________________________ post: [email protected] unsubscribe or set options at https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
