They knows what is the puissance and the capacity of Irak because they sale all the product .. anthrax and military stuff ...
If Bush don't take care with is position with Irak the real problem
will be ther and no body will follow him, look the west side, 'Korean' side man ...
this is not a game on this side ...but they have no petrol
Fran�ois
From: "Baucom, Fred" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: RE: [Hornlist] NHR Europeans
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 14:56:41 -0800
I, for one, am presently rethinking my previous position on this very
important topic. I have found myself to be in disagreement with just about
everything the present administration has done the last two years, with the
exception of the action against terrorism within Afghanistan. I believe
that Pres. Bush has proven time after time that he a man of average
intelligence and abilities, and beholden to special interests. While it may
seem 'democratic' to have a person who might be described as 'average'
leading the country, the demands of the present day placed upon this extreme
position of power require that we have an exceptional person occupying the
presidency and one who can focus upon the problems of the day objectively,
without a predetermined point-of-view. But at the same time, I also have
great respect for the Secretary of State, Colin Powell, who I do regard as
an exceptional person. So, when he says that we need to do this 'thing',
and (finally) presents evidence to support his points, I listen and
reconsider. I still have very big reservations about all of this: 1)
invasion of a sovereign nation without direct provocation, 2) inconsistency
in policy (what about Saudi Arabia, North Korea, Pakistan?), 3) the
arrogance implied - that 'we' are all-powerful and all-wise (and not on just
this issue, but on many global issues since Bush took office). But I guess
I trust Colin Powell about as much as any politician and believe he is a man
of integrity (at least relatively-speaking; he has to answer to an
administration that does not always seem to value integrity over results).
Just a nit, Bill, but Stalin died in 1953.
Fred
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Gross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 1:24 PM
To: The Horn List
Subject: Re: [Hornlist] NHR Europeans
Here is an interesting letter on the subject. Note that one of the
signatories is the freely elected leader of Hungary. You may recall
Hungary, that nation which in 1956 actually took up arms against one of the
most deadly dictatorships in recent history (Stalin managed to kill of
20,000,000 +/- of his folks as opposed to Hitlers 8,000,000).
Of particular note to me is this
We in Europe have a relationship with the U.S. which has stood the test of
time. Thanks in large part to American bravery, generosity and
farsightedness, Europe was set free from the two forms of tyranny that
devastated our continent in the 20th century: Nazism and communism. Thanks,
too, to the continued cooperation between Europe and the U.S. we have
managed to guarantee peace and freedom on our continent.
Gilbert and Sullivan speak to this as well.
Eight European Leaders Support Disarming of Iraq
(Say U.S.-European unity must be preserved)
Prime ministers or presidents of eight European countries (the Czech
Republic, Denmark, Hungary, Italy, Poland, Portugal, Spain and the United
Kingdom) called in an open letter for preservation of U.S.-European unity
and for full compliance by Iraq with U.N. Security Council Resolution 1441
on disarmament.
Following is the text of the statement, issued to newspapers around the
world:
(begin text)
United We Stand
By Jose Maria Aznar, Jose-Manuel Durao Barroso, Silvio Berlusconi, Tony
Blair, Vaclav Havel, Peter Medgyessy, Leszek Miller and Anders Fogh
Rasmussen
January 30, 2003
The real bond between the U.S. and Europe is the values we share: democracy,
individual freedom, human rights and the rule of law. These values crossed
the Atlantic with those who sailed from Europe to help create the United
States of America. Today they are under greater threat than ever.
The attacks of Sept. 11 showed just how far terrorists -- the enemies of our
common values -- are prepared to go to destroy them. Those outrages were an
attack on all of us. In standing firm in defense of these principles, the
governments and people of the U.S. and Europe have amply demonstrated the
strength of their convictions. Today more than ever, the trans-Atlantic bond
is a guarantee of our freedom.
We in Europe have a relationship with the U.S. which has stood the test of
time. Thanks in large part to American bravery, generosity and
farsightedness, Europe was set free from the two forms of tyranny that
devastated our continent in the 20th century: Nazism and communism. Thanks,
too, to the continued cooperation between Europe and the U.S. we have
managed to guarantee peace and freedom on our continent. The trans-Atlantic
relationship must not become a casualty of the current Iraqi regime's
persistent attempts to threaten world security.
In today's world, more than ever before, it is vital that we preserve that
unity and cohesion. We know that success in the day-to-day battle against
terrorism and the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction demands
unwavering determination and firm international cohesion on the part of all
countries for whom freedom is precious.
The Iraqi regime and its weapons of mass destruction represent a clear
threat to world security. This danger has been explicitly recognized by the
U.N. All of us are bound by Security Council Resolution 1441, which was
adopted unanimously. We Europeans have since reiterated our backing for
Resolution 1441, our wish to pursue the U.N. route, and our support for the
Security Council at the Prague NATO Summit and the Copenhagen European
Council.
In doing so, we sent a clear, firm and unequivocal message that we would rid
the world of the danger posed by Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass
destruction. We must remain united in insisting that his regime be disarmed.
The solidarity, cohesion and determination of the international community
are our best hope of achieving this peacefully. Our strength lies in unity.
The combination of weapons of mass destruction and terrorism is a threat of
incalculable consequences. It is one at which all of us should feel
concerned. Resolution 1441 is Saddam Hussein's last chance to disarm using
peaceful means. The opportunity to avoid greater confrontation rests with
him. Sadly this week the U.N. weapons inspectors have confirmed that his
long-established pattern of deception, denial and noncompliance with U.N.
Security Council resolutions is continuing.
Europe has no quarrel with the Iraqi people. Indeed, they are the first
victims of Iraq's current brutal regime. Our goal is to safeguard world
peace and security by ensuring that this regime gives up its weapons of mass
destruction. Our governments have a common responsibility to face this
threat. Failure to do so would be nothing less than negligent to our own
citizens and to the wider world.
The U.N. Charter charges the Security Council with the task of preserving
international peace and security. To do so, the Security Council must
maintain its credibility by ensuring full compliance with its resolutions.
We cannot allow a dictator to systematically violate those resolutions. If
they are not complied with, the Security Council will lose its credibility
and world peace will suffer as a result. We are confident that the Security
Council will face up to its responsibilities.
-- Messrs. Aznar, Durao Barroso, Berlusconi, Blair, Medgyessy, Miller and
Fogh Rasmussen are, respectively, the prime ministers of Spain, Portugal,
Italy, the U.K., Hungary, Poland and Denmark. Mr. Havel is the Czech
president.
(end text)
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