Hans Writes: >>>>No wonder, if players feed themselves before playing, during the intermissions WITHOUT cleaning their mouth & teeth properly BEFORE bringing up the horn to the lips again !!! Pack a tooth cleaning pack into your horn case. This will prevent valve wear in most cases. It is more important than oiling the horn every week.
I use a horn made 1978. The valves are tight as they were on the first day: absolutely tight but super fast & noiseless. And the slides are still blank. And the horn is clean inside even I spill it just every two months.>>>> Hans,,, Wrong Wrong Wrong...... Perhaps that worked for you, but I would never tell anyone that brushing their teeth before playing will prevent valve wear more than oiling. Wrong Wrong Wrong!!! (and I'm even trying to be subtle here....) The act of oiling creates a thin film on the bore of the instrument - so all those food particles, and acids etc can't attach to the brass and cause dezincification - and eventually valve wear. Hans, by the way, dezinicification/redrot - is NOT the redness that occurs due to tarnishing,,, it starts on the INSIDE of the horn. During our last go around on this subject you described something that was NOT dezincification.... So, YES, brush, but more importantly OIL the horn with a few drops every other day or so in the leadpipe.... (or keep my repair card handy....) Signed: Pope Ken Pope Alexander "Just Put Your Lips Together And Blow...." Dealer of Kuhn and Durk Horns Pope Instrument Repair 80 Wenham Street Jamaica Plain, MA 02130 617-522-0532 -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 1:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Horn Digest, Vol 7, Issue 29 Send Horn mailing list submissions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Horn digest..." Please edit replies to include only relevant text. Please DO NOT include the entire digest in your reply. Today's Topics: 1. RE: Break in that horn (was error) and Ebay Horn (Steve Selby) 2. KEN THE POPE? (jdelarosa) 3. Pope Pope (Ralph Mazza) 4. Re: Horn testing (kerri c davies) 5. Getting a job at Holton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 6. Re: Re: Horn testing (Russ Smiley) 7. New 6D old 6D (Leonard & Peggy Brown) 8. RE: Break in that horn (was error) and Ebay Horn (Hans Pizka) 9. RE: Re: Horn testing (Hans Pizka) 10. Alex serial #'s (Jeremy Ristow) 11. Re: Alex serial #'s (Wilbert Kimple) 12. RE: Alex serial #'s (Jonathan West) 13. RE: Alex serial #'s (Hans Pizka) 14. Re: New 6D old 6D (Alan Cole) 15. Re: Alex serial #'s (Alan Cole) 16. Re: Alex serial #'s ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- message: 1 date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 10:55:45 -0700 (PDT) from: Steve Selby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> subject: RE: [Hornlist] Break in that horn (was error) and Ebay Horn It's fascinating to watch the discussions on whether a different horn makes a large difference in one's playing. On the one hand are professionals like Hans with plenty of skill and time that can adapt to virtually any horn in a short amount of time. On the other are many of us amateurs hoping that investing in a new horn will compensate for a lack of available time to practice, along with (perhaps) less natural ability. Along with the "tinkerers", both ameteur and professional that are constantly trying new horns, mouthpieces, leadpipes, bells, garlands, wraps, etc. I've seen many of the same arguments in sports. Athletes that have a lot of raw talent sometimes ignore technique and training, relying on their physical gifts and telling others to "just do it". Less gifted athletes hope that focus on technique and relentless training can compensate for their lack of ability. Of course, the best athletes combine abundant talent with flawless technique and training. Same with horn. ===== Steve Selby [EMAIL PROTECTED] __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Julio de la Rosa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Kosta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "The Horn List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 9:38 PM Subject: [Hornlist] Re: WES-factory horn testing - NHR > Baucom, Fred writes: > > > > > Another question: if Ken somehow becomes the next Pope, will we be calling > > him Pope Pope? > > --------------------- > > The naming of the Pope has recently been allowed to be much more > flexible....... > during the consideration of Cardinal Emil Sicola for the papacy it was > determined to be unseemly to have a "Pope Sicola" ! > < groan & :^) > > > Jay Kosta > Endwell NY USA > _______________________________________________ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/jdelarosa%40ameritech.net ------------------------------ message: 3 date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 14:39:05 -0400 from: "Ralph Mazza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> subject: [Hornlist] Pope Pope Mark Louttit wondered: "If Alexander Pope is not related to Gebr. Alexander, do you suppose he was related to Ken Pope ? :-)" Fred Baucom followed that thought with: "If Ken somehow becomes the next Pope, will we be calling him Pope Pope?" We all know that Popes never use their actual surnames. They choose a plain first name, like John, or Paul, or Leo, or something fancier, like Clement, Innocent or Pius. So his holiness Ken Pope might choose something like Pope Ricco-Kuehn. I hasten to add, however, that while there was only one Alexander Pope, there were several Popes Alexander. ------------------------------ message: 4 date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 19:22:37 -0400 from: kerri c davies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> subject: [Hornlist] Re: Horn testing Mark L., Wes and List: To suggest that Wes did not do well as a performer in the music business is NOT at all what the intention of my post was. I apologize, Wes, I didn't mean for it to sound that way, I know you're a fabulous horn player; please don't take it that way! I hope I have not insulted you. And I would love to hear your two cents on my question, if you could answer it. Like I have posted a few months ago I am getting a new 8DRS and am still anxiously awaiting its arrival. By the way, anyone else who is buying a Conn, are you still waiting for your dealers to get new shipments in from the Conn horn factory? Mine was supposed to have beem sent from the factory on July 15, but it still hasn't made it yet. I am a litle worried that the big delay means a drop in consistancy or quality, but I have heard otherwise from fellow Conn players, so I am sticking for now with my 8DRS. I'm just curious now about how the factories go about producing all these horns with relative consistancy, hoping that the two that are arriving in the shop will be of decent quality, and I won't have to make them order a new one, wait six more months, etc. They find me annoying as it is already, I am sure. As for my embouchure and mouthpiece pressure issues, I have reduced my playing hours from five to four a day, becuase five is doing more harm than good. I think I should master enduring four hours first before I dive into five, do all of you agree? I've been playing five hours per day for a month and it isn't improving my playing, so I think it must be too much. Is this a safe assumption? I hope so, hopefully my playing will go back to the way it was before I obsessed over it and tried to change it. I hav another question. If the upper register is really hard to play o a horn, is it possible that the valves are leaky? I am thibking that this is contributing to my problem, but I don't know for sure. My Conn 6D's A above the staff is particularily difficult, while the Bb above that is easier to hit. That is what leads me to this theory. So, what do all of you think? Thank you for all of your replies, Brittany ------------------------------ message: 5 date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 21:01:56 EDT from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] subject: [Hornlist] Getting a job at Holton In a message dated 7/26/2003 6:25:18 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > To suggest that Wes did not do well as a performer in the music business > is NOT at all what the intention of my post was. I apologize, Wes, I > didn't mean for it to sound that way, I know you're a fabulous horn > player; please don't take it that way! I hope I have not insulted you. > Hi, I am in no way insulted! For any who are interested, a few paragraphs on how I got a job at Holton. When I finished grad school I played for 4 1/2 months with the American Wind Symphony. While touring with the group I fell in love with the flutist with the WW quintet in which I played. After the tour was over I was jobless and homeless, so I moved closer to where my lady friend and eventual wife of 22 years was finishing grad school, University of Wisconsin. I applied for a job at Leblanc in Kenosha and was sent to work at the Martin Band Instrument Co. in Kenosha. The first year I worked there I worked in the buffing room buffing trombones. The second year I had to learn all the other operations because the Plant Manager was priming me to be a supervisor. It was at that time I started retesting the Holton horns ( the corporate warehouse was at the Martin plant). I rejected about 90% of all the horns that I "played" ( sorry Hans) and they were sent back to Holton for rework. Primary problems were poor slide fit, and noisy valves. In December of 1980 the Testing position at Holton was available.I applied for the job and got it--in part because I was a decent horn player, but primarily because of the background in manufacturing I had from working at Martin. The first six months were great. I sat in the Testing room and "played" horns for eight hours a day.I did take breaks and wandered around the factory observing the many operations that were involved in horn making. In June, an efficiency expert spent time in the factory and noted that I had too much free time on my hands, so management made me foreman of the Final Assembly, Lacquer and Shipping departments.I had to learn all the operations in Final Assembly so I could relate to the problems the employees were having with parts and quality.After a while I started doing much of the rework on the horns so that the assemblers could spend their time working on new horns, and thus improve the "on paper"efficiency of the department. During this time I was driving about a hundred miles round trip per day and getting pretty tired of many things. In 1988 when I was offered a repair position with a music store in Milwaukee I took it. This also afforded me with a more flexible schedule . I became first call with the Milwaukee symphony and was able to play horn and Wagner tuba for three years when Zubin Mehta was preparing for and conducting Wagner`s Ring Cycle with Chicago Lyric Opera. Wes Hatch ------------------------------ message: 6 date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 20:28:50 -0400 from: "Russ Smiley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: Horn testing My 2¢: It has been my experience that leaking valves led more to inefficiency, less precise attacks, and (possibly) flatter pitches. I have two very similar horns, one with valves less tight than the other, at it has the better high C. My suspicion (others who know better, please comment) is that tapers and their combinations (mouthpiece, lead pipe, and bell) have more to do with what high notes are 'easy'. For the A, try 'alternate' fingerings (open or 3rd), and see if you can make it speak easier. Also, when your G and B flat are tuned, see which of the fingering for As is best in tune, too. You're in luck if the alternate is both easier and in tune. Russ Smiley Marlborough, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "kerri c davies" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 7:22 PM Subject: [Hornlist] Re: Horn testing > Mark L., Wes and List: > > To suggest that Wes did not do well as a performer in the music business > is NOT at all what the intention of my post was. I apologize, Wes, I > didn't mean for it to sound that way, I know you're a fabulous horn > player; please don't take it that way! I hope I have not insulted you. > > And I would love to hear your two cents on my question, if you could > answer it. Like I have posted a few months ago I am getting a new 8DRS > and am still anxiously awaiting its arrival. By the way, anyone else who > is buying a Conn, are you still waiting for your dealers to get new > shipments in from the Conn horn factory? Mine was supposed to have beem > sent from the factory on July 15, but it still hasn't made it yet. I am a > litle worried that the big delay means a drop in consistancy or quality, > but I have heard otherwise from fellow Conn players, so I am sticking for > now with my 8DRS. I'm just curious now about how the factories go about > producing all these horns with relative consistancy, hoping that the two > that are arriving in the shop will be of decent quality, and I won't have > to make them order a new one, wait six more months, etc. They find me > annoying as it is already, I am sure. > > As for my embouchure and mouthpiece pressure issues, I have reduced my > playing hours from five to four a day, becuase five is doing more harm > than good. I think I should master enduring four hours first before I > dive into five, do all of you agree? I've been playing five hours per day > for a month and it isn't improving my playing, so I think it must be too > much. Is this a safe assumption? I hope so, hopefully my playing will go > back to the way it was before I obsessed over it and tried to change it. > > I hav another question. If the upper register is really hard to play o a > horn, is it possible that the valves are leaky? I am thibking that this > is contributing to my problem, but I don't know for sure. My Conn 6D's A > above the staff is particularily difficult, while the Bb above that is > easier to hit. That is what leads me to this theory. > So, what do all of you think? > Thank you for all of your replies, > Brittany > _______________________________________________ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/rsmiley%40cttel.net > ------------------------------ message: 7 date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 21:54:22 -0500 from: "Leonard & Peggy Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> subject: [Hornlist] New 6D old 6D Is there really any difference between the 6D of 30 years ago and today's? Back then it was considered a pro horn. Has the instrument changed or just the label? (before you tell me that a 6D wasn't a pro horn 30 years ago I had at least 4 friends gain and hold jobs in symphonies with them) LB ------------------------------ message: 8 date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 09:20:27 +0200 from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hans Pizka) subject: RE: [Hornlist] Break in that horn (was error) and Ebay Horn O.K., Steve, yes, the professionals have more skill, but more time to adapt to a new instrument ?? I doubt that very much. Most of us just pick the horn or grab the horn which is available, explore it with two scales up & down, adjust the slides=20 (a common source of bad speaking notes, as long as the valves are activated - I do not say "depressed" so not to give Cabbage a chance to make a fool out of myself - example: "a" above space - if the slides are not pulled the right length, the "a" will remain bad off course) and PLAY, just PLAY THAT HORN. That=B4s it.=20 And the main problem of the amateur is the following: They think they can do things equally or even better than the professionals (admitted: might happen in very rare cases, but never in leading horn position), and THEY DO NOT BELIEVE WHAT PROFESSIONALS PREACH !!!!! They know everything much better from their scientific approach, but it does not work.=20 Should I call them pharisaic horn players ????=20 Sorry, there is no help for many of those players. Some of them played for me in many lessons, but had big mouth before about what they had played with their community orchestra or pick-up orchestra or just "READING ORCHESTRA" (Mahler 5, Beethoven 9, Beethoven 3, Heldenleben, Till, Brahms, Mahler 1, etc.). But, my goodness, all phantasy, if they played for me, three out of two notes were mistakes, not only clams, but out of tune, clumsy pronounced, broken legatos, etc. I call you amateurs, players as conductors (professional, semi professionals & amateurs), back to order: play less demanding pieces, but BETTER. Hans Pizka, 45 years on first chair in top orchestras (just three orch. But played with many, many orchestras called to replace the first horn because of ill leave), honorary member of the HIS, etc.etc. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Selby Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 6:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Break in that horn (was error) and Ebay Horn It's fascinating to watch the discussions on whether a different horn makes a large difference in one's playing. On the one hand are professionals like Hans with plenty of skill and time that can adapt to virtually any horn in a short amount of time. On the other are many of us amateurs hoping that investing in a new horn will compensate for a lack of available time to practice, along with (perhaps) less natural ability.=20=20 ------------------------------ message: 9 date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 09:33:26 +0200 from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hans Pizka) subject: RE: [Hornlist] Re: Horn testing Wrong, Russ. "a2" with 3rd or open on Bb-horn is flat in principle, just enough. Adjust your 1st & 2nd slide very well, care that it does not shift by accident during a performance, and be in heaven with a superb "a2". The high "c3" - try it with 2nd & 3rd on the F-side (YES). The "b2-natural" must work on the Bb-horn all the time, IF the slide is pulled correctly. Question about LEAKING valves. Why do the valves leak ? After very few years ? If you "over" oil them constantly to prevent wear ???=20 No wonder, if players feed themselves before playing, during the intermissions WITHOUT cleaning their mouth & teeth properly BEFORE bringing up the horn to the lips again !!! Pack a tooth cleaning pack into your horn case. This will prevent valve wear in most cases. It is more important than oiling the horn every week. I use a horn made 1978. The valves are tight as they were on the first day: absolutely tight but super fast & noiseless. And the slides are still blank. And the horn is clean inside even I spill it just every two months. But I have seen horns in the hands of solo players of top five orchestras. Full of oil AROUND the valve section, even "spider webs" between the tubes (it looked like but was just an agglomerate of dust particles glued together by the excess oil). WORLD TOP PLAYERS. Nothing to say more. Just one word: DISCIPLINE. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=20 -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Russ Smiley Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 1:29 AM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: Horn testing My 2=A2: It has been my experience that leaking valves led more to inefficiency, less precise attacks, and (possibly) flatter pitches. I have two very similar horns, one with valves less tight than the other, at it has the better high C. My suspicion (others who know better, please comment) is that tapers and their combinations (mouthpiece, lead pipe, and bell) have more to do with what high notes are 'easy'. For the A, try 'alternate' fingerings (open or 3rd), and see if you can make it speak easier. Also, when your G and B flat are tuned, see which of the fingering for As is best in tune, too. You're in luck if the alternate is both easier and in tune. Russ Smiley Marlborough, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "kerri c davies" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 7:22 PM Subject: [Hornlist] Re: Horn testing > Mark L., Wes and List: > > To suggest that Wes did not do well as a performer in the music business > is NOT at all what the intention of my post was. I apologize, Wes, I > didn't mean for it to sound that way, I know you're a fabulous horn > player; please don't take it that way! I hope I have not insulted you. > > And I would love to hear your two cents on my question, if you could > answer it. Like I have posted a few months ago I am getting a new 8DRS > and am still anxiously awaiting its arrival. By the way, anyone else who > is buying a Conn, are you still waiting for your dealers to get new > shipments in from the Conn horn factory? Mine was supposed to have beem > sent from the factory on July 15, but it still hasn't made it yet. I am a > litle worried that the big delay means a drop in consistancy or quality, > but I have heard otherwise from fellow Conn players, so I am sticking for > now with my 8DRS. I'm just curious now about how the factories go about > producing all these horns with relative consistancy, hoping that the two > that are arriving in the shop will be of decent quality, and I won't have > to make them order a new one, wait six more months, etc. They find me > annoying as it is already, I am sure. > > As for my embouchure and mouthpiece pressure issues, I have reduced my > playing hours from five to four a day, becuase five is doing more harm > than good. I think I should master enduring four hours first before I > dive into five, do all of you agree? I've been playing five hours per day > for a month and it isn't improving my playing, so I think it must be too > much. Is this a safe assumption? I hope so, hopefully my playing will go > back to the way it was before I obsessed over it and tried to change it. > > I hav another question. If the upper register is really hard to play o a > horn, is it possible that the valves are leaky? I am thibking that this > is contributing to my problem, but I don't know for sure. My Conn 6D's A > above the staff is particularily difficult, while the Bb above that is > easier to hit. That is what leads me to this theory. > So, what do all of you think? > Thank you for all of your replies, > Brittany > _______________________________________________ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/rsmiley%40cttel.net > _______________________________________________ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de ------------------------------ message: 10 date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 13:00:06 +0000 from: "Jeremy Ristow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> subject: [Hornlist] Alex serial #'s Where would the serial number be located on an Alexander? Thanks. Jeremy _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ message: 11 date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 07:16:46 -0700 (PDT) from: Wilbert Kimple <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> subject: Re: [Hornlist] Alex serial #'s --- Jeremy Ristow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Where would the serial number be located on an > Alexander? Thanks. > Alexander followed the tradition of most German makers and did not put serial numbers on their horns for many years. I had a serial number on my Alexander 200, which the Alexander company finally told me was made 1991. If it's an older Alex, there probably isn't a number. My Alex 107, now my main horn, does not have a number. The previous owner told me it was fifty or sixty years old. Wilbert in SC ------------------------------ message: 12 date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 15:26:20 +0100 from: "Jonathan West" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> subject: RE: [Hornlist] Alex serial #'s > Where would the serial number be located on an Alexander? Thanks. My 103 has a 4-digit serial number stamped on the casing of the 2nd valve. Regards Jonathan West ------------------------------ message: 13 date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 16:36:11 +0200 from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hans Pizka) subject: RE: [Hornlist] Alex serial #'s Fifty or sixty years old Alex 107, my goodness, this would be a pre 1953 or pre-1943 horn (mid in the war). As far as I know, Alex did start the production much later, but I will give them a call tomorrow. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wilbert Kimple Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 3:17 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Alex serial #'s --- Jeremy Ristow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Where would the serial number be located on an > Alexander? Thanks. >=20 Alexander followed the tradition of most German makers and did not put serial numbers on their horns for many years. I had a serial number on my Alexander 200, which the Alexander company finally told me was made 1991. If it's an older Alex, there probably isn't a number. My Alex 107, now my main horn, does not have a number. The previous owner told me it was fifty or sixty years old. Wilbert in SC _______________________________________________ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de ------------------------------ message: 14 date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 12:31:40 -0400 from: Alan Cole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> subject: Re: [Hornlist] New 6D old 6D The Conn "Artist" 6D only got demoted to intermediate "student" or "step-up" status when the Conn people brought out their higher priced 8D & 28D "Connstellation" models, right? That is, changing the marketing did not necessarily change the horn. I'm pretty sure the Conn folks did NOT say to themselves, "OK, now that we're bringing out our 8D & 28D, we're going to make sure all our 6Ds coming off the line from now on are lousy." Not only that, didn't Willie Ruff do all his playing on a Conn 6D? (It was either a 6D or a look-alike Olds, no?) -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Is there really any difference between the 6D of 30 years ago and today's? Back then it was considered a pro horn. Has the instrument changed or just the label? (before you tell me that a 6D wasn't a pro horn 30 years ago I had at least 4 friends gain and hold jobs in symphonies with them) ------------------------------ message: 15 date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 12:34:45 -0400 from: Alan Cole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> subject: Re: [Hornlist] Alex serial #'s I don't know about late-model Alexes, but my 1958 model has no serial number. The Lawson folks stamped an identifying number into my Alexander 103 for me when they did the restoration & modifications on it several years back. -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Where would the serial number be located on an Alexander? Thanks. ------------------------------ message: 16 date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 12:41:09 EDT from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] subject: Re: [Hornlist] Alex serial #'s In a message dated 7/27/2003 7:36:40 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > The previous owner told me it was > fifty or sixty years old. > > Wilbert in SC > Hello Wilbert, If that is my 107 I said I thought it was from the 60's or 70's ... not 60 years old. Regards, Jerry ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn End of Horn Digest, Vol 7, Issue 29 *********************************** _______________________________________________ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
