Sorry, Klaus, there are just the unison fanfares at the end of the first movement, but they are written (in F) f2, bb1, f2 - and no 2nd space a1 involved. If the f2 should be flat, finger it with Bb-side 1, but do not forget adjusting the first slide. It is not too much for the single F Pumpenhorn (except the very delicate beginning, the very first entrance - because of the nerves. If done with confidence as a New Year Call from the main parish church in Linz as thought by Bruckner, it should be a soloistic piano or just better mp.). And the other fanfares in the third moement: yes, here is the a1 amployed but in very fast action (Clemens Krauss & also Sawallisch & Kubelik did it in ONE), and this fanfare is very light. If the a1 is fingered 12 - and the slides are well adjusted - intonation will not be any problem. But this fanfare is not unison. The last movement has the ff schmetternd (rimbombando !!!) unison 1/4 triplets written as c2-g2-e2-c2-g1-c2 but for horn in E-flat. So again no employment for the a2.
And for what kind of horns did Bruckner write ? He grew up with the single F used everywhere, the Bb-horn just used by very, very, very few players as Franz Strauss e.g. And his symphonies sound beautifully when the pumpenhorns are used, which are heroic but not as massive as doublehorns can be. And the wider bore Austrian/Viennese mouthpieces contributed to the beauty of the sound. ============================================================ ================================================= -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Klaus Bjerre Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 2:45 PM To: The Horn List Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Bruckner 4 Possibly making a complete fool of myself as I am too lazy to refer with score or old vinyl (Barenboim/Chicago in my case, pretty impressive). As I remember B4, it is the one with the massive unisono horn fanfares in Bb concert (written F major in the F horn parts). This induces a question of mine: The double horn hardly was common during Bruckner's time, whereas the single horns in Bb and F were well known. Did Bruckner expect these fanfares to be played on open Bb horns? When I play my 5 valve Hoyer single Bb, I finger the 2nd space A with 3 (open is too flat, 1+2 is too sharp, 3 is spot on true). When I play my Conn 28D double, I use the F side in that register. Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre --- "Hans.Pizka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I own a wonderful TV recording of Bruckner no.4 with Roland Berger > playing first & Rafael Kubelik conducting. > > Does anybody know the "Urfassung" ? We just played it severaltimes & > will do it on our European tour late September & early October. First > horn is very busy. The symphony is completely different to what we all > know. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de _______________________________________________ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
