I see.
 
My dad actually managed to move the remaining two stuck valves using no tools 
whatsoever, (he doesn't own a vice OR pliers!) he is my new hero. 
 
They all seem to be in good working order now, nice & clean & oily!
 
It is my moronic ex boyfriend who used the pliers, thus me thinking it was some 
kind of good idea! 
 
Thank you for the reply!



> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:14:51 -0400> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 
> horn@music.memphis.edu> Subject: [Hornlist] RE: Pliers? NO NO NO> >     As 
> you can see from my somewhat overexcited title, one should restrain oneself 
> from using pliers for any purpose, real or imagined, anywhere on a french 
> horn.  If you (think you) have to use pliers to move the valve, it has 
> probably frozen up with corrosion and there's nothing you'll be able to do at 
> home to make it work well enough.  Soap? - nope, kerosene?- no dice, valve 
> oil? - forget it, soaking? - useless, pliers? - permanent irrevocable damage. 
>  Take it to someone who will do it right and for much less than it will cost 
> to repair the damage you'll do to it at home. >     In my shop the easiest 
> (thus cheapest) repairs are the ones that nobody else has tried to fix.  
> Customer tried to fix it - add 100% to undo customer damage.  Bad repairman 
> fixed it wrong way - add 150% to undo.  Dad fixed it with vise and power 
> tools - Would cost way to much to ever get it right again.> > - Steve 
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