Couldn't it be played as a false note on first valve? Actually, I have found 
that false notes are sharp, so 12 might be better. My false notes are not 
strong, but I should think that a good player would be fairly strong.

I forget the technical term for false note, but it means the same thing.

Herb Foster


----- Original Message ----
From: Jonathan West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: The Horn List <horn@music.memphis.edu>
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 9:01:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Looooow F on Vienna Horn?

2008/4/24 Mark Phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> I play
>  a Vienna Horn and my community orchestra has programmed Mahler's 4th for our
>  next program.  I've been assigned 3rd Horn since the pedal F notes in the
>  2nd and 4th parts are generally not assumed to be playable on a single F
>  horn.  I was hoping you could provide me with the solution used by Vienna
>  Horn players for this not, since these parts were in all likelihood written
>  for them.

I have a copy of all four parts to hand. The bass clef passages are
old notation. The only pedal F I can find is in the 4th part, last
movement, rehearsal mark 10, where the 2nd & 4th horns are in octaves
for a slow pianissimo passage, the 4th starting on a minim pedal F,
and going on to crotchet G, A, minim B, then crotchet A, G followed by
a final minim F. The tempo marking is "Wieder plotzlich zuruckhaltend"
(apologies Hans for not including the necessary umlauts).

In other words, the passage is fairly slow and very quiet, which I
imagine would leave an opportunity for the player to use hand and lip
to push the pitch down to F from F#. As 2nd is playing the same
passage an octave above, you would have a good reference pitch for the
purpose of adjusting the tuning. Challenging for a single F horn,
Vienna or otherwise, but by no means impossible.

Regards
Jonathan West
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