On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 4:33 AM, Katrina Engelsted < katrina.engels...@hotosm.org> wrote:
> Hey all, > > To piggy-back on the* workflow discussion*, it would be nice if all tasks > had specifics like the pdf that the Red Cross included in their task: > > http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/50#workflow > > Therefore, new mappers can understand the process better and it makes > digitizing much more clear for all mappers. In the long run, it would > probably help with speeding up the validation editing. > > I am not sure what would be the best avenue for ensuring that task > managers include information like that, but I think that it is worth > mentioning. Ideally, there could be some sample screenshots and > descriptions that task managers could quickly choose so that people > understand what to look for and what the goals of the remote activation > are. > Should this be included directly in the tasking manager? > > On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 7:09 AM, Kate Chapman <k...@maploser.com> wrote: > >> Hi Pierre, >> >> I think it is a requirement to validate tiles. Yes we haven't figured >> out how to get people to do it, but I think that is an instructional >> issue. Perhaps if the validators were given access to a greater >> number of tiles to validate at a time. Maybe they could pick multiple >> tiles at once. >> >> Long-term I'd like to see the workflow so that you can define the >> steps a task goes through. Meaning I could say I want all squares to >> go through the following phases. Map the roads -> map the buildings -> >> validate. Then another task could have a complete different set of >> phases. Map the residential areas -> map the water ways -> map the >> roads. >> >> We haven't quite figured out the validation yet, but it is important. >> >> -Kate >> >> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 4:30 AM, Pierre GIRAUD <pierre.gir...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > Ok, I've gone further with my experimentations. >> > I'm really not satisfied with the validation workflow and I've tried to >> > change it completely. >> > >> > I'm convinced that it's not really a requirement to be able to >> "validate" >> > tiles. It appears (looking at the statistics) that very few tiles have >> been >> > marked as valid in the past jobs. I suppose that's because validation >> itself >> > is not easy. It's easy to tell that a tile in invalid though. Thus, it's >> > really a requirement to be able to "invalidate" tiles. >> > In the version currently installed on dev server, the "validation" >> button >> > doesn't exist anymore. The tiles can now take only 2 statuses "done" or >> "not >> > done". Colors have been changed too. They're now more "common" to >> people's >> > habits and they match the buttons colors too. >> > Also, there's no need to lock a tile to tell it's invalidate. I think >> this >> > should be a quick process. >> > >> > I intend to add a "message box". Users could for example receive >> messages >> > from the application to be informed that a tile they previously worked >> on >> > has been invalidated. >> > >> > One other thing I changed is the "users tab". I simplified things by >> > removing the numbers telling how much the users worked. As someone >> already >> > told me, this is not a race. We don't need a winner. >> > What I added though is the availability to see which tiles the given >> users >> > worked on by highlighting them on the map. This feature has been asked >> > several times. >> > >> > Once again, feedbacks are welcome. >> > >> > >> > On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Augustin Doury < >> augustin.do...@hotosm.org> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Sorry for this second email, I just want to add something about this >> point >> >> of my last email : >> >> >> >> 1) Limit how many times you could split the tasks, for a zoom level of >> 17, >> >> maybe not more than once. >> >> > sometimes tasks are splitted twice or more, it really slows the >> mapping. >> >> >> >> On the "users" page,the number of tiles done by a contributor could >> depend >> >> on the size of the tiles he has done : >> >> - if he did not split tiles, show "1" for one tile >> >> - if he did, show "0,25" for one tile which is from a tile splitted >> once. >> >> >> >> Augustin >> >> >> >> On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Augustin Doury >> >> <augustin.do...@hotosm.org> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Hi! Couple things I realized this morning using the Tasking Manager : >> >>> >> >>> 1) Limit how many times you could split the tasks, for a zoom level of >> >>> 17, maybe not more than once. >> >>> > sometimes tasks are splitted twice or more, it really slows the >> >>> > mapping. >> >>> >> >>> 2) Make it easy to find which task you're working on, >> >>> In the current version all "current worked on" tasks are highlighted >> in >> >>> orange, maybe the task linked to your OSM account could be >> highlighted in an >> >>> other colour. >> >>> >> >>> 3) It's too easy to delete a task, it could be great to add one step >> more >> >>> for security checking >> >>> >> >>> Great to imagine how the new version will be! >> >>> >> >>> Augustin >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 9:39 PM, Augustin Doury >> >>> <augustin.do...@hotosm.org> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> Thanks for that Pierre! Here are some comments : >> >>>> >> >>>> On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 8:18 PM, Pierre GIRAUD < >> pierre.gir...@gmail.com> >> >>>> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> - with this in mind, tiles url (in the address bar) can be used to >> be >> >>>>> shared to someone else. This might be useful to use a tile as >> reference in a >> >>>>> discussion between mappers, >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> > this is a real enhancement, especially with new mappers who want to >> >>>> > have their work checked or to share it easily. I would use it like >> every >> >>>> > week. >> >>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> - comments are now required when marking a task as done or >> >>>>> (in)validating one, >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> > great, it could be good to have an informative message to explain >> what >> >>>> > kind of comment is expected, >> >>>> > maybe the person who create the job could choose this informative >> >>>> > message. >> >>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> - users have access to the tile change history. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> > this is a real enhancement too I think >> >>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Please write down any problems you see and your good or bad >> feelings. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Something that could be great on the Tasking Manager's "users" page : >> >>>> >> >>>> By clicking on the OSMid of a contributor or a validator, be able to >> : >> >>>> >> >>>> - know which tile he has edited >> >>>> - know which tile he has marked as "done" >> >>>> - which tile he has validated >> >>>> - and be able to select it easily and open it in "read-only" mode. >> >>>> Great for quality assurance with new mappers, and great to find which >> >>>> tile you have worked on yesterday. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Thanks. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Off topic question: >> >>>>> I'm not sure how important the locking is when an advanced user >> wants >> >>>>> to (in)validate the work done on a job. >> >>>>> How about allowing validation without any lock. Or maybe we should >> >>>>> rethink the validation process. >> >>>>> Any thoughts? >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> > when a new register click on a task marked as done, he uses to >> >>>> > validate or invalidate it quickly and don't think to just click on >> >>>> > "unlock-it"... >> >>>> I think a new validation process could be great, let it open for >> >>>> everybody but be sure that all validators did it in an informed way >> and >> >>>> don't validate or invalidate a task by mistake. >> >>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Pierre >> >>>>> >> >>>>> [1] http://tasks-dev.hotosm.org >> >>>>> >> >>>>> -- >> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>>>> | Pierre GIRAUD >> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>>>> >> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>> HOT mailing list >> >>>>> HOT@openstreetmap.org >> >>>>> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> Augustin Doury >> >>>> Openstreetmap Senegal Community Mobilizer >> >>>> Humanitarian Openstreetmap Team (HOT) >> >>>> +221773160902 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting >> +221773160902 >> >>>> end_of_the_skype_highlighting begin_of_the_skype_highlighting >> >>>> +221773160902 end_of_the_skype_highlighting >> >>>> begin_of_the_skype_highlighting +221773160902 >> >>>> end_of_the_skype_highlighting >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> Augustin Doury >> >>> Openstreetmap Senegal Community Mobilizer >> >>> Humanitarian Openstreetmap Team (HOT) >> >>> +221773160902 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting >> +221773160902 >> >>> end_of_the_skype_highlighting begin_of_the_skype_highlighting >> >>> +221773160902 end_of_the_skype_highlighting >> >>> begin_of_the_skype_highlighting +221773160902 >> >>> end_of_the_skype_highlighting >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Augustin Doury >> >> Openstreetmap Senegal Community Mobilizer >> >> Humanitarian Openstreetmap Team (HOT) >> >> +221773160902 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > ------------------------------------------------------------- >> > | Pierre GIRAUD >> > ------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > HOT mailing list >> > HOT@openstreetmap.org >> > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> HOT mailing list >> HOT@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >> > > > > -- > Cheers, > > * > Katrina E. * > *Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team* > *Jakarta, Indonesia* > *hot.openstreetmap.org* > > @MappingKat <https://twitter.com/MappingKat> > *+62 812 83 000221* > > _______________________________________________ > HOT mailing list > HOT@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------- | Pierre GIRAUD -------------------------------------------------------------
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