Hello Steve,

        Sorry to rain on the parade yet again but I find this matter of image alignment to be puzzling and concerning.

        One of the first things I learned when embarking upon GIS/GPS mapping was that accurate georeferencing of all layers, but especially the base layers (imagery in this case) was sacrosanct.  If things are not in their correct point in space, what use is that to the end user?  Especially in rugged terrain, with difficult access and rapidly changing stream flows, it is important to know where a trail or road really is.  Why try to cross a raging torrent when you don't need to?

        Having untrained users realign the imagery willy-nilly is amazing to me.  What faith can anyone have in the new tracings if the earth is literally moving every time a new user opens up the file?  Accurate map datums and projections were created for a reason.

        How is it that, "
...the DigitalGlobe 2015-05-03 (DG) images have had minimal georectification.."  This is bizarre, this is not GIS, this is merely sketching.  Why is such imagery being offered and accepted?  I know that this is a major emergency but then all the more need for quality data.

        However, I am newly arrived, and it seems that most people are content with a world that can be up to 200 m out of whack.  I'm not sure if I can contribute much under the circumstances other than this gloomy criticism.  Sorry, will try not to dampen the enthusiasm further.

                 Thanks for your patience, Cheers . . . . . . . . Spring



At 06-05-2015 11:59 Wednesday, Steve Bower wrote:
Ross - If you haven't already, see the recent threads on "data alignment to satellite imagery" and "imagery alignment", in the archives for May:
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/hot/2015-May/thread.htmlÂ

Note some links pointed out there by althio:
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Using_ImageryÂ
 http://learnosm.org/en/editing/correcting-imagery-offset/Â

Because the DigitalGlobe 2015-05-03 (DG) images have had minimal georectification (needed mainly for elevation distortion), they may be offset by 100m or more. On one tile (5.5km wide) I saw offsets relative to Bing of 125m to the west and, elsewhere, 85m to the east. The offsets may vary considerable even in nearby areas, especially in steep terrain.Â

You should align your work with Bing imagery. Thus to digitize from the DG imagery you should first adjust the DG imagery to the Bing imagery, and re-adjust it as you move from place to place. As you noted, adjusting in one area makes it worse in others, so you have to keep re-adjusting as you go. You should be able to compare the Bing and DG imagery to confirm where a feature visible on DG is located on the Bing imagery (if Bing is clear enough). I try to adjust based on buildings, or road intersections/curves (keeping in mind that roads are sometimes relocated), or even less permanent features (rivers generally are not good, they move around to much). It's a time-consuming process, but needed to correctly locate features.

It's not essential that everything be within a few meters of its true location, but features should be mapped correctly relative to one-another.

The links above provide guidance on how to align imagery to correct locations. It's easy in JOSM with the Imagery Offset tool (on the toolbar).

Steve

On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 1:53 PM, Steve Bower <sbo...@gmavt.net> wrote:
I don't think Chad's IDP guidance document (though very helpful) addresses the issue of spatial accuracy of the DG imagery, raised by Ross. I'm going to post that as a separate issue with more detail.

On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 4:35 AM, Heather Leson <heather.le...@hotosm.org > wrote:
HI Ross, sorry for my delayed response. It is best if you ask your questions on the main Hot@openstreetmap.org mailing list.

Chad provided this guidance document on IDPs http://hotosm.github.io/tracing-guides/guide/Nepal.html#IDP%20Collection%20Guidance

Hope this helps

Heather

On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 12:40 AM, Ross Taylor <r...@byrdtechnology.com > wrote:
Hi, I am seeing many more IDP sites using DigitlaGlobe imagery vs Bing. I can toggle between the two image sets, but they are significantly nonaligned. I created a landuse=brownfield tagged area which aligns with Bing, but if I mark and tag the individual IDP sites showing up in DigitalGlobe imagery, the brownfield and idp are not going to be aligned. I want to help out as much as possible and would like the data to be correct. Please advise, thanks!

Note: I tried to adjust alignment but it fixes one area and creates more offset in other areas.

-Ross

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