>Next to that I'm creating USB sticks to use during Mapathons with portable Java and JOSM already set up and configured.
I played with this but its getting the tile passed through to JOSM from the tasking manager that I didn't chase down. I think you'll need to put Firefox on the usb stick to get it to pass it through. If we can break through on that then give them USB sticks and use JOSM would be my preference. Cheerio John On 15 January 2016 at 11:06, Jo <winfi...@gmail.com> wrote: > Indeed, you need to want to engage with the new mappers. What makes this > worthwhile is that this is highly appreciated by them. It takes time and > effort, but the increased productivity and the fact that validation > actually becomes easier when you don't have to fix everything, because it's > mapped correctly in the first place, are certainly worth it. > > I agree with John in that it would be better to teach JOSM right from the > start. And not only to the people who want to become validators. > > I can't understand the decision that an untagged closed way simply gets > tagged as area=yes. That will never be useful tagging. The simple question > upon upload: "Did you mean to create all buildings?" Oh, I'll retag them > for you, "oh, and you probably want them all to be rectangular. Please use > 's' next time". > > Another way to solve this, is to add another button point, line, area, > building. And have that one draw rectangles marked as buildings right away, > just like the buildings-tools plugin does. This would make working with iD > a lot more palatable. > > I will probably remain a big fan of JOSM even if that gets implemented > some day. This is why I'm creating screencasts showing what can be done > with JOSM and how (efficiently). I still need to improve how I'm doing > this. Work in progress. > > Next to that I'm creating USB sticks to use during Mapathons with portable > Java and JOSM already set up and configured. > > Creating screencasts is one thing. Another thought just occurred to me. > What if we had a GSoC project this year that extends JOSM with an in-built > tutorial? > > Something that keeps track of progress maybe? It would be totally awesome > if it were able to detect: click, click, click, click, 'q', add tag: > building=yes and would tell you: I think you could use the buildings-tools > plugin to simplify this action to 'b' + 3 clicks. Or even 2, if you keep a > building or way selected. > > Maybe I should try to figure out on JOSM-dev what they think of this. > > Blake was also thinking of gamification by creating an opaque layer that > becomes translucent as you pan around the map. This would make keeping > track of progress for mapping and validating more practical, but it would > definitely also add a fun factor. > > Polyglot > > 2016-01-15 15:30 GMT+01:00 Russell Deffner <russell.deff...@hotosm.org>: > >> Hi John and all, >> >> >> >> You elude to something that maybe we haven’t really considered – >> Validation takes more than technical skills, it takes a >> teacher/mentor/helper personality. Even if we create some great training >> for how to validate, it might not be enough to bring the ‘right’ kind of >> people. >> >> >> >> Just something that caught my attention in this conversation, >> >> =Russ >> >> >> >> *From:* john whelan [mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com] >> *Sent:* Friday, January 15, 2016 6:25 AM >> *To:* Yantisa Akhadi >> *Cc:* HOT Openstreetmap; Mikel Maron >> *Subject:* Re: [HOT] OSM Data Quality Assurance Curriculum Draft >> >> >> >> I currently do a fair amount of validation, I don't think we have enough >> validators and whilst iD knowledge is nice to have I don't see it as being >> essential. >> >> I accept that in some circumstances JOSM may not be practical and it is >> not an ideal tool for everyone but let me sit a new mapper down at a >> machine with JOSM set up with the building tool and give them a project >> about mapping buildings and I'll get five times more buildings out of them >> than I will in iD not only that but they'll be more accurately placed, >> squared and correctly tagged. >> >> For landuse=residential and highways again I don't see the area=yes, the >> zebra pedestrian crossings, the untagged ways, the crossing ways and the >> highways almost meet errors that I see all over the place from iD mappers. >> I also see fewer this last quarter got missed. If you get them to outline >> the landuse=residential but don't tag immediately and just tag them at the >> end I can get a lot more productivity out of them as well. >> >> OSM can be edited with a variety of tools, iD is fashionable this week it >> may not be next week. >> >> I think there is a different set of skills needed for validation and for >> teaching. Validation and giving feedback for new mappers takes time, >> typically I can map twice as much work as I'm validating in the same time. >> The only off set is occasionally I get new mapper who is accurate and will >> carry on to map a few hundred tiles and at a good level of data quality. >> >> You need lots of patience for validation, two who have tried it have >> expressed frustration at the way instructions and tutorials are ignored. >> >> >> >> Cheerio John >> >> >> >> On 13 January 2016 at 21:12, Yantisa Akhadi <yantisa.akh...@hotosm.org> >> wrote: >> >> Hello all, >> >> >> >> I really appreciate all the replies on this matter. Probably it will be >> better if I add the context of why we work on this curriculum first. This >> curriculum is part of our strategy to improve OSM data quality, especially >> in Indonesia. In these past 4 years, we have trained more than 2,400 people >> all over Indonesia. Yet the training material largely focus on how to >> collect spatial data using OSM. There is little focus on quality assurance >> and validation, since it is hard to teach this material to people who just >> knew OSM. Another reason was if there is large scale disaster happened in >> Indonesia, we need pool of mappers as we also need pool of validators. >> >> >> >> It is true that some of these materials have been discussed in different >> platforms (learnosm, teachosm, and course.hotosm.org) and these platform >> have been a great contribution for us to work on the curriculum. At the >> same time we need to ensure that the training materials will be applicable >> in Indonesian context. Therefore we also develop Indonesian tagging >> standard as a reference. >> >> >> >> About the audience as specified in the docs, probably "Prerequisite" >> would be a better word. It is expected that validators would understand >> about iD so that they can guide new user on how to map faster and better in >> iD (eg. using shortcuts and how to add additional tags). The use of >> Overpass is recommended, but we think that it would help their work better. >> I believe that this curriculum is more act as a guide for validators rather >> than the rule that they should follow. The needs for validators also true >> in Indonesia, that is why we develop this curriculum and we are planning to >> use it in our upcoming training and hopefully would add more validators >> throughout the countries. Furthermore, we hope that this curriculum would >> not only applicable in Indonesia, but it can be useful for others as well. >> >> >> >> Again, much appreciated for your response. >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> >> *Yantisa Akhadi (Iyan)* >> >> *Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team* >> >> Tel: +62 81 5787 03388 Email: yantisa.akh...@hotosm.org >> >> hot.openstreetmap.org | openstreetmap.id >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 11:01 PM, john whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> I'm unclear who the target audience is. Why do they need to know iD? >> >> Are you suggesting that only people who know everything such as overpass >> turbo whatever it is should be permitted to validate? >> >> We don't have enough validators in HOT at the moment how will this >> improve things? >> >> Thanks John >> >> >> >> On 8 January 2016 at 10:37, Mikel Maron <mikel.ma...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Yantisa, this is pretty interesting. How do you see this integrating with >> courses.hotosm.org and teachosm.org? >> >> Mikel >> >> On Friday, January 8, 2016, 5:04 AM, Yantisa Akhadi < >> yantisa.akh...@hotosm.org> wrote: >> >> Hello all, >> >> >> >> As discussed couple of weeks ago, HOT Indonesia currently working on OSM >> Data Quality Assurance Curriculum and Training Material. We just finished >> the draft for the curriculum and we are looking for input from you. Here is >> the link to the document >> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MwXGir0quZgAtnParhBChjx3JehFcOUDwiK41kgDVA0/edit?usp=sharing> >> . >> >> >> >> Looking forward for your comments! >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> *Yantisa Akhadi (Iyan)* >> >> *Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team* >> >> Tel: +62 81 5787 03388 <+62%2081%205787%2003388> Email: >> yantisa.akh...@hotosm.org >> >> hot.openstreetmap.org | openstreetmap.id >> >> _______________________________________________ >> HOT mailing list >> HOT@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> HOT mailing list >> HOT@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> HOT mailing list >> HOT@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >> >> >
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