Hi, interesting conversation - I do find a chuckle thinking 'we are really poor at coordinating how to use our coordination tool' :)
Just to clarify - this is NOT an 'official' HOT Activation, although 2 of the 3 trained leads are helping in some way, we have decided to not initiate the protocol - as we may have the whole country mapped before that becomes necessary. I do think we need to further 'restrict' who gets the Project Manager role on the HOT instance of the OSM Tasking Manager; and we have a start with the Tasking course at the training center - as we've discussed in the AWG, I would like to see that become the 'minimum requirement' to create projects on our instance - just my two cents. However, until that happens I don't think it is good to edit someone else's projects without discussing with them first (maybe downgrade from Urgent if someone uses that 'unwisely' but I almost made the mistake of 'kicking' someone's project into draft because I didn't realize it was only available in French, so just 'general rule of thumb' - probably not wise to adjust other people stuff w/o talking first). =Russ -----Original Message----- From: Rod Bera [mailto:r...@goarem.org] Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2016 6:44 AM To: Mikel Maron; hot@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [HOT] A Fiji project for experienced mappers interested in a new damage assessment methodology Note: the http://tasks.hotosm.org/ instance is titled OSM Tasking Manager, which is a lie. And the donate button which was on this page some time ago was at best dishonest as the people clicking this button from a page titled "OSM something" were probably expecting to donate to OSM and therefore are driven to donate to HOT. I'd have no problem having http://tasks.hotosm.org/ titled "HOT tasking manager" (as was the case previously). And given this, it would be legitimate to select/sort tasks according to feasibility/appropriateness from a HOT perspective. Rod On 02/03/16 13:10, Mikel Maron wrote: > The OSMTM code is open source, and many instances are running around the > world, and that's great. The instance running > at http://tasks.hotosm.org/ is managed by HOT's activation working > group. The policies are fairly flexible about what's posted there, and > project managers are welcome to discuss and create projects there. What > does need careful consideration are tasks created for an active HOT > activation, and the priority given these tasks. The feasibility and > appropriateness of the damage assessment task for Fiji hasn't yet been > discussed at all in the AWG. > > -Mikel > > * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron > > > On Wednesday, March 2, 2016 6:47 AM, Rod Bera <r...@goarem.org> wrote: > > > > Hi Mikel, > > (not discussing here the pertinence of task #1575). > > I already gave my views on the OSMF list prior to your election to the > board but this episode is an illustration of what we should not see > in OSM. > > I wish to emphasise that OSM has nothing to do with HOT's Activation > Working Group and not OSM tool should be controlled by it. > > therefore what you call OSMTM (OPENSTREETMAP Tasking manager) is not > OPEN. > Therefore NOT OPENSTREETMAP. > > Please stop claiming so. > > ... unless the Tasking Manager (re)becomes truly open. the TM was > thought as a common for OSM, and having it the thing of a smaller group > (which decides who can propose a task and postpone/archive/veto tasks) > is a real problem. > > Otherwise, facing censorship on the TM there are chances that some > dedicated mappers favour the emergence of an alternative TM (or worse, > alternative TMs), which would raise other issues (possible concurrent > tasks on the same regions, etc) unless we develop indexing mechanisms > (like cross-harvesting INSPIRE catalogues). > > This issue should be discussed within OSMF to find the best way to > transfer the governance of a self claimed OSM tool (which right now it > is not) back to the OSM community. > > > Thanks > > Rod > > > > On 02/03/16 02:07, Mikel Maron wrote: > > Hello > > > > This project hasn't been raised or discussed within the AWG, and > raises > > a number of issues that require careful consideration. For the time > > being in Fiji, we're focusing on updating the base map only, and this > > particular OSMTM project has been archived. > > > > Thanks > > -Mikel > > > > * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron > > > > > > On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 6:28 PM, Jean-Guilhem Cailton > > <jguil...@gmail.com <mailto:jguil...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > Stronger cyclones are likely to become more frequent with climate > > change. Categorie 5 cyclone Winston severely hit Fiji on Feb > 20th. A > > state of natural disaster was declared for 30 days. Ten days > later, the > > death toll is 43, at least, and more than 50,000 persons who > have lost > > their homes are still living in evacuation centers. > > > > Improving recovery capabilities is part of Disaster Risk Reduction > > (DRR). Assessing the damage and obtaining accurate and actionable > > information as quickly as possible is critical. Ziad Al Achkar, > Isaac L. > > Baker and Nathaniel A. Raymond, of the Signal Program on Human > Security > > and Technology at the Harvard Humanitarian Initiative (HHI) > published > > these last days a study that describes a new methodology to > standardize > > remote assessments of wind disaster damage, from satellite, > aerial or > > drone imagery, named the “BAR methodology”, with a foreword by Ray > > Shirkodai, Executive Director of the Pacific Disaster Center, > “Assessing > > Wind Disaster Damage To Structures” > > > > <http://hhi.harvard.edu/publications/satellite-imagery-interpretation-guide-assessing-wind-disaster-damage-structures> > > > > This methodology takes into account structure categories > visible in the > > imagery, sorted in “A) Light strength structures (the most > vulnerable); > > B) Medium strength structures (moderately vulnerable); and C) Heavy > > strength structures (usually the least vulnerable).” > > > > Each structure is also assigned a damage scale, which is as > follows: “0 > > = no visible damage to the structure; 1 = visible partial roof > damage; 2 > > = the roof has suffered significant damage or is completely > off, but the > > walls remain standing; and 3 = the walls and the roofs are down > and the > > structure integrity is completely compromised.” > > > > The goal of this project is to adapt the BAR methodology to the > > OpenStreetMap framework, using also information available > online from > > social media, such as geo-localizable photos, and apply it to > the town > > of Ba, in Western Fiji, to produce detailed open geodata that will > > hopefully be useful to the Fijian Government to manage the > aftermath of > > this disaster, and also to experiment and refine this > methodology as > > needed for future disasters. > > > > If you are already an experienced OSM mapper, and interested in > learning > > how to contribute to this, please have a look at this project: > > http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1575 > > > > Read the instructions carefully, and especially the BAR study > linked > > above. > > > > The adaptation of this method builds on previous attempts in > the HOT > > community, in particular regarding the tags used. As it is new, > please > > know that you are really welcome to ask any question you may > have, on > > all the channels available, especially in case of uncertainties > you may > > face, if you feel that you are qualified for this project and > want to > > give it a try. > > > > The same method could also be used for other areas, including where > > aerial photos are available, and more generally where > geo-localizable > > photos from social media are available. > > > > Thank you very much. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Jean-Guilhem > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > HOT mailing list > > HOT@openstreetmap.org <mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org> > <mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org <mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org>> > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > HOT mailing list > > HOT@openstreetmap.org <mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org> > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > > > > > -- > Rod Béra, MCF Géomatique / Lecturer, Geomatics > et SIG pour l'Environnement / and Environmental GIS > Agrocampus-Ouest|65 r.Saint-Brieuc|CS84215|35042 Rennes cedex|France > +33 (0) 223 48 5553 - roderic.b...@agrocampus-ouest.fr > <mailto:roderic.b...@agrocampus-ouest.fr> > > > _______________________________________________ > HOT mailing list > HOT@openstreetmap.org <mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > > -- Rod Béra, MCF Géomatique / Lecturer, Geomatics et SIG pour l'Environnement / and Environmental GIS Agrocampus-Ouest|65 r.Saint-Brieuc|CS84215|35042 Rennes cedex|France +33 (0) 223 48 5553 - roderic.b...@agrocampus-ouest.fr _______________________________________________ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot _______________________________________________ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
