Steve,

Thanks for the feed back. Great to know that a course has been thought of earlier. Via the Task manager seems a good way to get quick and simple feedback , as you mentioned.

Cheers,
Graham


On 12/4/2016 2:49, Steve Bower wrote:
Graham,
Excellent questions on an important topic - I think HOT has improved its mentoring & management of validation & validators, and needs to continue that effort.

There is a validation course at the HOT Training Center [1], "required training for, and will teach the essential knowledge required to, perform the Validation Role during an Activation". I have not taken the course, and don't know if/how it is "enforced" as a required course.

Regarding "coaching", questioned in your summary list of key points : I think the point is that validators need to be good coaches, giving feedback to the mappers being validated (as John clarified). Feedback from validators has in the past been largely lacking, in my limited experience - hence new mappers don't always learn from their mistakes. The Tasking Manager could be enhanced to simplify and encourage feedback from validators to appropriate mappers.

Mike Thompson : Regarding:

    "1) If the instructions explicitly say not to map something (e.g.
    tracks) but some were mapped and were done so correctly by the
    generally accepted practices in OSM, do you leave them?  I did."


I would give the feedback that it was not necessary to trace the tracks, and that it would be preferable to stick to the requested features in the future in order to complete the project as quickly as possible. However, they were traced correctly, and thank you for the contribution and your extra work. (As John said, in general the work of others should not be deleted, only corrected as needed.)

[1] http://courses.hotosm.org/course/index.php?categoryid=2

Cheers,
~~Steve



On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 12:44 PM, Mike Thompson <miketh...@gmail.com <mailto:miketh...@gmail.com>> wrote:



    On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 11:25 AM, john whelan
    <jwhelan0...@gmail.com <mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com>> wrote:

        If you read through the wiki it specifically mentions
        highway=service.

        >By default,
        primary/secondary/tertiary/unclassified/residential and
        service highway
        <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway>=* are
        supposed to be paved.

    It would be more clear and obvious if highway=service appeared in
    the table with the other possible values, but I will accept this
    as indicating that we should "highway=service" roads in Africa.


        When I'm validating then I consider I'm validating the work
        done by HOT mappers on this project on the tile.  Any previous
        work that was there before I consider governed by the general
        rules of OSM ie don't touch it unless its very clearly wrong
        and even then there is a long winded protocol that it is
        recommended you follow.  I certainly won't delete anything
        because it wasn't there on the image.  <Crtl>i can be helpful
        and looking at the number of edits the mapper has made can
        give you a clue as well.

    Good advice



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