Hi Walker, There is a renewed effort that I think has a good chance of success at building a tool into the iD editor where it is most needed.
I am not sure a stand alone editor is a good idea for a couple of reasons and think integrating a tool into the iD editor is by far the best solution. If anyone wants to be a part of the current effort to build it into iD or contribute to iD in general just join the OSM general slack at https://osmus-slack.herokuapp.com/ Cheers blake <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon> Virus-free. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Walker Bradley <wbrad...@worldbank.org> wrote: > Dear All, > > > There has been a lot of back and forth regarding the utility of a > specialized building editor in iD editor. Many have mentioned how they > would like it, but lack the skills in designing it. How much would it cost > to hire someone to program this, How would it be integrated with the > existing editor and What would the skills required be for the person(s)? > > > Best, > > > Walker > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* john whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 12, 2017 09:24 > *To:* Rory McCann > *Cc:* HOT > *Subject:* Re: [HOT] Buildings and HOT's reputation in OSM > > A specialised buildings editor idea has a lot of merit. Less to train, > fewer options to go wrong. Background upload after each building or set > time. > > The problem with Bjorn's idea is unfortunately anyone can lead a > maperthon. The HOT Training group meets regularly and at least one of the > members has a lot of experience leading maperthons. > > My perception is the regular ones have fewer problems its the ones being > led by well meaning people with no experience in OSM mapping who don't read > the instructions first and give incorrect instructions to mappers. > > Locally we had one very well meaning person but unfortunately the mappers > edited the map and introduced a fairly large number of errors. It was > caught and many changes were reversed but that caused more problems as the > students had been given the task as an assignment and some of their edits > had disappeared. It did all get straightened out eventually. > > Cheerio John > > On 12 December 2017 at 08:31, Rory McCann <r...@technomancy.org> wrote: > > It seems like there is a need for a specialized "buildings editor". Yes > JOSM building_tools beats iD now, but how about making a new web based > editor that addresses the problems you highlight: > > * Can only enter buildings > * Uploads (& downloads) frequently. Potlatch used to upload as soon as > you had deselected an object. OSM changesets can be opened and have many > uploads. Why not upload every X minutes? > * Rather than free form drawing, you can only draw rectangular buildings > * Don't allow the user over lap buildings (or auto-merge the rectangles > together) > > If you know your users are doing one thing, then it's probably easier to > change the software than the users. 😉 > > Of course, suggesting things is easier than actually doing them, and I > don't think my JS is good enough to do it. > > > On 09/12/17 20:59, john whelan wrote: > > Recently there has been some discussion of HOT's input into OpenStreetMap > in the OSMF mailing list. > > Perhaps one of the problem areas is mapping that is less than ideal. > > Basically HOT mainly maps highways, landuse=residential and buildings. > > These shouldn't be difficult to map correctly. > > Buildings appear to be the most problematic. > > I think we need to think about why we are mapping them. Is node good > enough? There would be less room for mistakes. > > If we need outlines and there good reasons why an outline is more valuable > than a node then we need to define what is acceptable. Or do we even > care? and its the do we even care part that is perceived to be the case by > some within OSM and that perception is something we should care about. > > From a validation point of view does it matter if the building is not > square? Is it acceptable to square a building even though we know this > will introduce an element of approximation or error. > > What should be done with a building=yes that covers more than one > building? Do we expect the validator to map each building or just > invalidate the tile? > > What should be done when the building mapped is more than 50% larger than > the image? Invalidate the tile? > > We are still mapping buildings twice. I suspect some mappers are not > uploading within two hours. Getting mappers to upload every 30 minutes max > would go a long way to reduce this, extending the tile lock to four hours > would almost certainly eliminate it. Recently on high priority project > I've seen in the order of a hundred buildings double mapped. They have > been done within the last two weeks so it is an ongoing problem. There is a > new tool that detects these so they aren't the problem they once were but > someone has to run the tool. > > If HOT could support a few more projects that were from the community on > the ground rather than the "We are the professionals we know what is best" > which appears to be perceived sometimes from the number of projects for the > RED Cross or other northern hemisphere charities that might also help the > reputation and relationship. > > So two points here on one message first is can HOT's reputation be > repaired and I suspect that is longer term problem that will take time and > a lot of effort rather than a PR job. > > Second would someone care to comment on what is acceptable mapping for a > building and what guidelines can we give to validators? > > Thanks John > > > > > _______________________________________________ > HOT mailing list > HOT@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > > > > > _______________________________________________ > HOT mailing list > HOT@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > > > > _______________________________________________ > HOT mailing list > HOT@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > > -- ---------------------------------------------------- Blake Girardot Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team
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