Thanks again, very appreciated! I will make sure to share outcomes of the Wikimedia workshop and information on how to join the conversation with the Wiki community.
Regards, Melanie On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 5:17 PM, Philippe Verdy <verd...@wanadoo.fr> wrote: > We should really improve the wiki coverage for at least all major cities > (> 100k inhabitants) and capitals. As well as at least the primary > divisions of countries: this helps building local teams and get more "flat" > support of features across all regions, not just the more developed capital > with more participants. This also allows better planning of works to do so > that each country has an appropriate minimal coverage and helps local > communities to improve the minimal datasets needed by adding some topics > progressively. > > We should not see in OSM countries only mapped in details in a few > capitals within a desert everywhere else: adding subdivisions will > "connect" these areas, and will help people better sense how their > territory is planned and where there are missing infrastructures. The > (open) map is an essential feature we want to offer to the general public > to help understand their territory and militate locally for more equal > treatment by their local governement, or will help them develop their > activity with new opportunities of local development and local cooperation, > instead of just counting on national or international providers. There are > resources everywhere, but they have to be managed to preserve them, avoid > wasting them or overusing them. And most often the local/nearby solutions > don't cost lot of money, people can do lot of things themselves even if > they don't have much money. The world generally needs more local > initiatives and more local cooperations (instead of falling into the > "globalization market" trap as the "universal", but costly and wasting, > solution which is not sustainable for the long term and does not offer > alternatives as this trend is also largely anticompetitive and in fact less > adapted to the real needs). We all want diversity in the world, and no > uniform single solution based on too strict "standards" of development. > > Note that the Place template on the OSM wiki allows linking most > Wikipedias and has a parameter for Wikidata (to help maintain the Wikipedia > links). It also has two new parameters (borrowed from other localized Place > templates), to add a "boundary=id" and "node=id" to reference OSM objects: > clicking on it displays the OSM map with borders, allowing precise > positioning (lat= & lon=) of the map (from the boundary relation) and more > exact coverage of the full boundary: the maps rendered in Place articles > can be then sized precisely. > > These links then allow checking Wikipedia articles or Wikidata with more > precise positions. I deliberately did not favor any language for Wikipedia > links. Even the smallest wikipedias can be useful, it provides additional > descriptions and talks, and relevant local topics that may be of interest > for mapping in OSM. > > > 2018-03-13 16:39 GMT+01:00 Melanie Eckle <melanie.ec...@hotosm.org>: > >> Dear Philippe, >> >> Thank you very much for all these contributions, very appreciated!! And >> very sorry that I did not get in touch with you earlier on. >> >> I will support a workshop about Wikimedia in disaster management next >> week in Berlin for the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team. The idea behind >> this workshop is to see how disaster management organizations and Wikimedia >> can better collaborate in disaster response and beyond. This is a first >> small get-together where mainly actors from German organizations and >> Wikimedia Germany come together to start a conversation, therefore I can >> also only share the German event site here >> <https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Katastrophenschutz/Veranstaltungen/Workshop_zu_Wikimedia_und_Katastrophenmanagement_2018>, >> but follow up events are for sure planned and I will keep you updated. >> >> It would be great to hear your opinion about points where you see >> potential in additional input from or collaboration with >> Wikimedia/Wikipedia/Wikidata. >> >> Kind regards, >> Melanie >> >> On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 3:59 PM, Philippe Verdy <verd...@wanadoo.fr> >> wrote: >> >>> Some other languages I have added supports also include Amharic, all >>> languages officially recognized by states or territories in India, all(?) >>> official/national languages shared by several countries. >>> For each country there's now a "place" page with relevant links. I have >>> also included their own category, and a few common subcategories: Users, >>> Places, Tagging guidelines, Events (note that the new "Disasters" category >>> is also part of Events). The "Disasters" category will interest HOT. >>> >>> The main category for HOT is also a bit more organized. I added today a >>> subcategory for "guides" (not just OSM tagging, but guidelines for various >>> topics, including designs, methodology...) >>> HOT is fully organized by year (this helps focusing current activities >>> and what is going on. >>> >>> Generally I do very little editing in pages I collect and organize (most >>> often the categories at bottom, basic HTML corrections for correct >>> rendering, the languages bar at top for pages that have translations). >>> These tasks are highly incremental and repetitive, this could be boring to >>> do for many, but I'm patient and progress by small successive steps. I do >>> my best to never break any existing link, and solve all double redirects >>> left: linking articles together is probably easier to do now from any >>> language (there's some utility templates for that such as {{{LL|article >>> name in English}} or {{LLC|Category name}} used in category pages (notably >>> for {{see also|...}}). >>> >>> The hard work being done, there's less things to do to translate things. >>> I document as much as possible the templates used, and also organize the >>> templates with their topic of interest. I've tuned many templates so they >>> work with different writing directions, and many templates are now >>> autotranslated. I have also documented all the language fallbacks used for >>> missing translations (I derived rules from those used in Wikimedia Commons). >>> >>> I have also regularized all language codes used, to be fully BCP47 >>> conforming (this allows external search engines to find relevant topics and >>> propose more accurate automatic translations if needed, and infer various >>> things from our own organized terminology, enhanced also by the links to >>> Wikipedia or Wikidata which provide additional semantics. >>> >>> In some cases, I need to rename pages to avoid ambiguities (place names >>> have lots of homonyms): this is not always very simple to adapt. I may have >>> forgotten some cases, and in that case, sorry for the disturbance, there's >>> always a way to fix that clenly and centralize the maintenance as much as >>> possible to avoid most duplicate works and finally reduce the long term >>> maintenance as the content of the wiki is constantly growing. >>> >>> >>> >>> 2018-03-13 15:38 GMT+01:00 Philippe Verdy <verd...@wanadoo.fr>: >>> >>>> I'me sometimes criticized for this huge work, many don't realize the >>>> work I4ve done and jusst see that the wiki is now becoming accessible to >>>> them and just start using it. >>>> I receive very few "thank you". But my goal is always to improve the >>>> cooperation between people around the world, and let them know what's >>>> happening in their areas or topics of interest, and then build and organize >>>> the translations they need or want locally, and document local things they >>>> do in OSM and let others working elsewhere becoming aware of what's >>>> happening and which new ideas would be useful to develop elsewhre >>>> (including in well developed countries). >>>> I've not done much work in HOT meetings since the start of the year, >>>> because I was very busy at organizing the international contents and solve >>>> various problems that were pending since long on the wiki. >>>> >>>> The wiki is still the main place where people go to find something. I >>>> think that since I started this huge task, many people have profited of the >>>> improved navigation and searchability, and new local projects are now >>>> starting more easily with more people involved worldwide. They can now find >>>> a lot of things, find new interests, develop better solutions, better >>>> organize their events, work with better cooperation, and more generally >>>> this helps improving the overall quality of map data and increase its usage >>>> worldwide. OSM has now a strong international presence, it is linked with >>>> lot of opensource/open data projects. Commercial companies start using it, >>>> and even governments and companies are better incited to open their data: >>>> the world is realizing that an open map is a real chance of development and >>>> offers significant economies of scales, and everyone does not need to >>>> contract and pay Google to use a map on their projects. The number of >>>> topics covered in OSM is now very large and it offers many new >>>> opportunities. >>>> >>>> Sharing geographic knowledge is better than trying to sell it with >>>> proprietary restrictions. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2018-03-13 15:19 GMT+01:00 Blake Girardot <bgirar...@gmail.com>: >>>> >>>>> Hi Philippe, >>>>> >>>>> Thank you very much for all your work on the OSM wiki. >>>>> >>>>> For those that might not know, Philippe is very dedicated to improving >>>>> the OSM wiki as a whole to support translations and >>>>> internationalization much more effectively (in addition to better >>>>> organization). If you have ever had questions about how you can help >>>>> translate any OSM wiki page, Philippe is great person to ask. >>>>> >>>>> Thank you again for all your hard work for OSM and HOT Philippe! >>>>> >>>>> Respectfully, >>>>> blake >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 2:58 PM, Philippe Verdy <verd...@wanadoo.fr> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > Note: I'm recreating a categorization of HOT meetings minutes/logs, >>>>> by >>>>> > working troup or by year, they are now being collected on hte wiki in >>>>> > >>>>> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Humanitarian_OS >>>>> M_Team_Training >>>>> > (replace Training by the Working group name) >>>>> > >>>>> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Humanitarian_OS >>>>> M_Team_meetings >>>>> > (ordered by date) >>>>> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Humanitarian_O >>>>> SM_Team_2017 >>>>> > (ordered by date, includes also activation pages in that year, >>>>> replace 2017 >>>>> > for each year) >>>>> > >>>>> > I've already collected the minutes for two working groups: Training, >>>>> and >>>>> > Activation, the others are being sorted. >>>>> > >>>>> > This can help have a log of HOT activities and keep track of past >>>>> > experiences to help building and organizing new activities and >>>>> activations. >>>>> > >>>>> > Most of these pages were not categorized, and in fact hard to find. >>>>> Next >>>>> > step will probably be to unify the naming scheme, but for now pages >>>>> are not >>>>> > renamed. >>>>> > >>>>> > Once I have filled the categories for each working group, I may look >>>>> at most >>>>> > populated categories to see if we need subcategories (there will >>>>> probably be >>>>> > subcategories by year in >>>>> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Humanitarian_OS >>>>> M_Team_meetings >>>>> > (ordered by date) >>>>> > In which case we would have >>>>> > >>>>> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Humanitarian_OS >>>>> M_Team_2017_meetings >>>>> > (ordered by date) >>>>> > (also added as a subcategory for >>>>> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Humanitarian_OS >>>>> M_Team_2017) >>>>> > and then there would be only two parent categories instead of 3 for >>>>> each >>>>> > meeting. >>>>> > >>>>> > I've also organized the new "Category:Disasters" with some disaster >>>>> types. >>>>> > Project pages for specific disasters by country/region and dates are >>>>> also >>>>> > categorized in their respective categories for the coutry/region and >>>>> in the >>>>> > Disaster type category (which have also some relevant subcategories >>>>> for >>>>> > tagging or other OSM projects, not just HOT), in order to improve the >>>>> > cooperation between local teams and other thematic OSM groups or >>>>> local >>>>> > contributors. >>>>> > For some countries/regions I created a "place" page with geolocation, >>>>> > wikipedia/wikidata, users/contacts, local meetings, and local >>>>> projects. >>>>> > >>>>> > The purpose is to integrate all the efforts that share common needs >>>>> or >>>>> > resources (even after the HOT event tracking) to improve the maps >>>>> and have >>>>> > all projects followed by larger sets of contributors and make them >>>>> aware of >>>>> > ongoing or pending actions, or know that there has been some HOT >>>>> action in >>>>> > their area. It can be used as well to study how we all perform >>>>> together, or >>>>> > to detect duplicate non-coordinated efforts. This can be used also >>>>> by HOT to >>>>> > limit their field of action, or better evaluate what is needed and >>>>> find >>>>> > local contacts more easily. It can be used to make statistic >>>>> analysis, >>>>> > quality auditing, and so on: the wiki has lots of information which >>>>> is not >>>>> > linked to relevant topics. >>>>> > >>>>> > Note: I include the possibility of coordinating languages (this is a >>>>> long >>>>> > project started since months which also helps developping local >>>>> communities >>>>> > in their language). I have improved also the number of languages >>>>> supported >>>>> > in the wiki (not everything needs translation, but translation of >>>>> specific >>>>> > pages is possible at any time and should be linked to other >>>>> languages for >>>>> > all contents still not translated). So I have added recently support >>>>> for >>>>> > South Asian languages, improved the categorization and linking in >>>>> India >>>>> > (soon I'll structure the Bangladesh area). I've made major >>>>> improvements for >>>>> > navigating the Caribbeans, Brasil and Mexico. I integrated the >>>>> recent events >>>>> > in Oceania and Indonesia. Africa needs more work (but the problem is >>>>> to find >>>>> > translators in African languages outside the 3 major languages: >>>>> French, >>>>> > English, Arabic, possibly also Portuguese). Some core training pages >>>>> are >>>>> > needed for non-Latin written scripts (notably Amharic), but also for >>>>> > Latin-written languages (Wolof and Lingala for example). Support for >>>>> South >>>>> > African languages was also added (but not actual translations: I >>>>> made the >>>>> > complex part so that translators and contributors don't have to start >>>>> > immediately to do the huge work needed to build the structure and >>>>> align it >>>>> > to the rest). >>>>> > >>>>> > I did not forget Europe however (and not just the European Union). In >>>>> > general I make the structures on the wiki more regularized to help >>>>> find >>>>> > relevant topics more immediately. I also resolve various linking >>>>> problems >>>>> > people experiment when they try to organize their country/regions >>>>> (Russia >>>>> > for example has some basic structure, which is still not uniform, >>>>> but would >>>>> > require significant improvement: many "red links" everywhere). But >>>>> I've made >>>>> > minimal changes to Russia because there are active contributors on >>>>> the wiki >>>>> > that are slowly making this structuration. >>>>> > >>>>> > And more generalyl I fix various problems reported by Mediawiki >>>>> itself or by >>>>> > helper templates that I have solidified. Now the wiki is very solid >>>>> in >>>>> > English, French, German and Japanese, it starts being better >>>>> organized for >>>>> > Italian, Dutch and Portuguese. Lots of efforts are needed for >>>>> Russian and >>>>> > Chinese, but even more for Arabic, Hindi, Urdu, Bengali, Thai, and >>>>> > Indonesian (Vietnamese is better advanced) to have a good worldwide >>>>> coverage >>>>> > with minimum efforts and more accessiblity to OSM projects by people >>>>> > worldwide. English should not be the single language for everything >>>>> > (including in India or Southern African countries). >>>>> > >>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>> > HOT mailing list >>>>> > HOT@openstreetmap.org >>>>> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------- >>>>> Blake Girardot >>>>> OSM Wiki - https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Bgirardot >>>>> HOTOSM Member - https://hotosm.org/users/blake_girardot >>>>> skype: jblakegirardot >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> *Melanie Eckle* >> Board Member >> melanie.ec...@hotosm.org <tyler.radf...@hotosm.org> >> >> >> > -- *Melanie Eckle* Board Member melanie.ec...@hotosm.org <tyler.radf...@hotosm.org>
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