Does this mean Hugin for Mac is dead? Nobody else is thanking you and I don't have the expertise to build it on my own based on what you describe.
Dave On Jun 27, 9:30 pm, DaveN <tahoedave...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Thanks Harry for all your work to date. I don't have any Xcode > experience so I can't pickup where you are leaving off and it sounds > very complicated. Good luck to you in your future endeavors. I do > hope someone picks up on the Mac side of things. > > Dave > > On Jun 25, 11:07 am, Harry van der Wolf <hvdw...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > I'm moving away from Mac OS X and back to Linux: I just bought a new laptop > > and put it on Ubuntu. I started using Linux in 1993 (when it was really > > only a kernel and a gcc predecessor and few curses based programs) and > > since 2003 I completely switched to linux apart from video editing. I > > switched to Mac OSX in 2006 when I was given a macbook and now I switch > > back to (Ubuntu) linux. > > I won't throw my MacBook Pro out of the window as my wife will keep using > > it as long as it will function, but I will move away. > > (Reasons and rant far below in this mail) > > > With regard to Hugin: > > The XCode project has grown to a complex thing to maintain due to more and > > more dependencies and Apple's weird gcc/openmp "strategy" . Having > > maintained it now for 5 years for me most changes seem like small steps, > > unless some GSOC "chunk" moves in. For a newcomer I assume it's > > overwhelming. > > > What I will do in the coming time in the XCode project (next to trying to > > keep up with the current developments): > > - Move from wxwidgets Carbon to wxwidgets Cocoa as carbon is going to be > > abandoned and it isn 64bit anyway. This is already implemented in the > > gui-overhaul branch be it experiemental. > > - Create several targets: > > -- a simple non-openmp target group which will build Hugin and which > > should be the most simple approach for a starting builder > > -- a openmp target group for the more experienced, daring builder (patch > > here, patch there, patch everywhere). > > -- trying to build a python enabled target. > > - Build a scripted portable Hugin bundle from the command line. > > > *But the most important line in this email:* In a very near future I will > > ask others to step in as builders. > > Feel free to volunteer now :) > > > One more "with regard to Hugin": Lately more and more dependencies crept > > in. Next to that: Due to Apple's own curious strategy with regard to > > apple-gcc support and development, the openMP stuff really becomes a > > "patched" thing and hard to maintain over OS X versions (think of the > > enblend issues on Lion, which is now solved fortunately). Non openmp stuff > > needs to be compiled with gcc 4.2 or gcc 4.3 and openmp stuff can only be > > compiled with gcc 4.6.x (and not officially from Apple) to be able to run > > on Lion and up: This Lion OpenMP issue is an open bug for over a year now > > and still not solved by Apple and it can only be "solved" with the > > non-official patched 4.6 gcc. Probably it's "Apple strategy" to do nothing > > in this case: They want you to develop on Lion (buy it) for Lion (end > > users buy it). This patched non-apple gcc 4.6 fails to compile over 90% of > > the non-openmp stuff on non-Lion systems. > > > === > > Below you will find my reasons for switching back to linux, which you may > > skip completely as it is not really relevant for the main reason of this > > mail: requesting new builders. > > > Main reason: Video editing is for me the most important part. That doesn't > > mean that it is what I use my macbook most for. > > > The hardware: > > I can afford a MacBook pro, that's not the issue. I simply don't want to > > anymore. The cheapest 15" MacBrook Pro costs 1750 Euros. A comparable > > notebook w.r.t. perfomance (and performance only) costs 750-900 Euros: That > > notebook misses the Apple MacbookPro superthin, slick design which actually > > makes the Apple MBP noisier (or more often noisy) as it can't dissipate > > it's heat well enough compared to an "ugly ventilation slides" covered > > laptop, not all pc notebook have the phantastic discrete video card a > > MacBook pro has, a pc laptop misses builtin bluetooth (mostly) and it has a > > (slightly) inferior keyboard and slightly inferior display. Also: The > > cheaper notebooks come with more memory and bigger harddisks and some of > > them have a discrete graphics card as well be it not as superb as Apple's. > > So with Apple: yes, you get very good quality (business ruggedness instead > > of consumer plastic) and yes, you pay more for it then necessary. > > > About the software, or in other words: which programs do I use: > > Apple mail, Firefox (Chrome not anymore due it's abuse of personal data-> > > use Iron instead), iMovie, VLC, iPhoto, Hugin, ImageFuser, iTunes, > > ChickenoftheVNC/TightVnc, Teamviewer, Spotlight, Gimp, Audacity, > > Virtualbox, LibreOffice, ClamAv (to scan the windows stuff from my > > children), FileZilla, mediainfo, Avidemux, Handbrake, Freemind, > > RouteConverter and lots of shell scripts. > > > Of these programs only apple mail, iMovie, iPhoto, iTunes, ImageFuser and > > Spotlight are "real" Apple programs (and ImageFuser is of my own hand). Any > > mail program will do (I mostly use gmail from firefox anyway) and I > > actually don't even like iTunes. > > In 2009 my previous macbook's motherboard got "toasted" by an external hard > > disk (which I had used numerous times) and I switched to linux again to try > > it out. After about 6 weeks I bought a (fairly new second hand) macbook pro > > as I really missed iMovie (and my son received the laptop restaged with > > windows). At that time linux had Kdenlive as most advanced NLE video editor > > (next to Cinelerra) but it was very unstable at that time and missing > > functionality. > > Kdenlive has evolved and now there is OpenShot as well, which is a nice > > combo. Shotwell (started as an iPhoto clone) is really up to standard now > > for my needs, and all other programs came/come from linux anyway or are on > > linux anyway. > > What's more: KDenlive now easily outperforms iMovie in functionality. > > iMovie is very user friendly but (maybe for the same reason) limited in > > functionality. > > > (And this switches from reason to rant:) > > What's more: Apple's strategy and way of acting becomes more and more a > > nuisance to me. They "close" everything to make it real Apple domains. Even > > more than Microsoft they really dictate (really as in dictator) what is > > allowed and what not. Coming from the Open Source world and being really > > Open Source minded, that really annoys me. No ipod, ipad or iphone for me > > as long as Apple moves along this path. > > > Hoi, > > Harry > > -- > > Hugin development bundles for Mac OS > > X<http://panorama.dyndns.org/index.php?lang=en&subject=Hugin&texttag=Hugin> > > ImageFuser for Mac OS X <http://imagefuser.sourceforge.net/> > > KImageFuser for > > Linux<http://panorama.dyndns.org/index.php?lang=en&subject=KImageFuser&text...> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Hugin and other free panoramic software" group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx
