The major problem seems to be the fact that thermal effects on tissues were used to judge safety levels and operational criteria. This is a mistake ,as we now know empirically. Also , it doesn't take note of sensitivities between individuals -or the time scales needed to prove safety longterm. A lot of of money has to be made [literally £Billions] by Gov'ts of all strains, worldwide. We know the effect of money on individuals and systems everywhere.
The EM pollution sufferers do have the doubtful notoriety of being pathfinders in a murky new world where true freedoms are disappearing almost daily in subtle ways. A small consolation - but a worthwhile adapation to the trend. Hum blowers ? Think 'Smoking Doctors' ads. - and 'safe' asbestos tips children played on... [All being said my suspicions for Hum are more in the power grid/ Earth magnetic fiield interplay area - not forgetting Haarp, for a back up!] On Feb 25, 7:10 pm, patty <[email protected]> wrote: > No I don't trust them. My truth is that we all are human. I am > reading the articles so I can see the short comings in the processes > they are using. > We do have a comprehensive case. They are confused, probably more > than we are. One chink in thier armour that I notice is, how they are > equating the effects of the use of a cell phone (near field) with the > effects of base stations (far field). They are flipping from one to > the other. I must say the EMF sensitives in Europe have put a ruffle > in their feathers. I know how I felt when I was first confronted with > the truth of this matter. The disblief that this monster has been > allowed to grow so large, and how can it be stopped. Peoples minds > are effected by the waves, so I have to work with the factor, that I > must forgive them (to an extent) because they too are under the > influence. > So I look for information in the reports that they provide. Yes I am > reading between the lines. I believe in the microwave auditory > effect, I feel the effects on my nervous system, it scares me. > I am trying to keep a tight control on my anger, anger is a bundle of > emotions. How many times in my life so far have I been dissuated, > because the one I have asked for help has said it's too complicated, > usually what I have found out later is that they didn't have the > answer in the first place. > They may be experts in the scientific community but they are only part > of what makes the world. They might be singing, but anyone with any > insight can see the waves going thru the brain and figure that the > brain is not a void, even the effects on neural synpse, neural synapse > are roughly nanometres apart, would they not be effected in the wave. > I never though I would have to think about such things. > Thank you for responding, I don't have anyone to talk to about this. > My husband gets a glazed look on his face when I ponder the situation > out loud. > Patty > On Feb 24, 10:28 am, dboots <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Yes but sometimes rants about how complicated subjects happen to be > > just another form of avoiding the issue and reaching conclusions > > WHO's job is to > > interfer with reaching conclusions, complicated or not Yes I would > > assume they give some insights, but basically it is up to us to read > > between the lines because WHO is NEVER going to tell us the whole > > truth because they would lose their non profit funding and the top > > people would lose their easy ride > > > And just as I suspected, considering the link you provided, WHO is > > singing > > like a canary to protect the industry it is suppose to be studying for > > ill > > health effects Notice how they so eloquently keep the conversation > > about > > RF levels Not all wireless is RF And not all wireless is modulation > > of RF > > > THE BOLD BASIC TRUTH IS BRAIN TUMORS, CANCERS IN MEN N WOMEN, > > DIABETIES, CENTRAL NERVOUS > > SYSTEM DISORDERS, ADD TYPE DISORDERS, OBSESSIVE DISORDERS, > > CHRONIC INSOMIA, CHRONIC FATIQUE TYPE DISORDERS, BIRTH DEFECTS AND > > STILL BIRTHS, BREATHING PROBLEMS (Asthma), AS WELL AS > > TOO LARGE OF A PORTION OF THE POPULATION IS LEANING TOWARDS > > ROAD RAGES OR THE EXTREME OF GOING POSTAL > > > Something in our environments are inducing our bodies to go through > > these > > multiple changes of our immune systems not being able to do the job > > it use to > > > Radiation and magnetic fields fill this bill more than any other > > form of > > technology advancement and that points at the advancement of wireless > > > WHO can pretend from now until Doomsday, but pretending is what they > > are doing WHO knows perfectly well where there money comes from and > > they have the brains to not bite the hand that feeds them even with > > despite unavoidable uncertainty to deal with I notice they also go > > out of > > their way to not link our 60 Hz grid or European's 50 Hz grid to not > > be > > considered part of the equation when it is a very large part of the > > equation > > > As summarized here, these separate avenues of scientific investigation > > provide little support for adverse health effects arising from RF > > exposure at levels below current international standards. Moreover, > > radio and television broadcast waves have exposed populations to RF > > for > 50 years with little evidence of deleterious health > > consequences. Despite unavoidable uncertainty, current scientific data > > are consistent with the conclusion that public exposures to > > permissible RF levels from mobile telephony and base stations are not > > likely to adversely affect human health. > > > Radiofrequency (RF) waves have long been used for different types of > > information exchange via the airwaves—wireless Morse code, radio, > > television, and wireless telephony (i.e., construction and operation > > of telephones or telephonic systems) . Increasingly larger numbers of > > people rely on mobile telephone technology, and health concerns about > > the associated RF exposure have been raised, particularly because the > > mobile phone handset operates in close proximity to the human body, > > and also because large numbers of base station antennas are required > > to provide widespread availability of service to large populations. > > The World Health Organization convened an expert workshop to discuss > > the current state of cellular-telephone health issues, and this > > article brings together several of the key points that were addressed. > > The possibility of RF health effects has been investigated in > > epidemiology studies of cellular telephone users and workers in RF > > occupations, in experiments with animals exposed to cell-phone RF, and > > via biophysical consideration of cell-phone RF electric-field > > intensity and the effect of RF modulation schemes. > > > FOR THE MOST PART, WHATEVER THIS ORGANIZATION WHO > > LEADS, invokes in me to look in the opposite direction because my > > gut tells me WHO is misleading us just as far as they possibly can > > get away with > > > I DON'T TRUST THIS ORGANIZATION "WHO". Do you trust > > the FDA???? > > > On Feb 21, 10:12 am, patty <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Hi dboots; Just type in Characteristics, Dosimetry & Measurement of > > > EMF it's out there google and yahoo. > > > orwww.WHO.int/peh-emf/meetings/southkorea/en/SeoulWHOTaki.pdf. > > > What I like to read is thier Workgroup Reports. Workgroup Report: > > > Base Stations and Wireless Networks-Radiofrequency (RF) Exposures and > > > Health Consequences, is the latest I've > > > found.http://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/members/2006/9633/9633.html > > > I find the workgroup reports give an insight; In the one mentioned > > > above they rant about lay people and how that we just don't understand > > > how complicated this subject is. > > > I would like to rant a bit too, difficult, they should be in the > > > position of trying to prove that the hum does have a detrimental > > > physical effect. I wrote and asked them to be honest about the > > > hearing effect. > > > It p's me off when I read that they say it is a trival effect, let > > > them see the pain created by my facial nerve, which I can not control. > > > I hope the information provided can link you > > > Patty > > > > On Feb 19, 7:10 pm, dboots <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > John Fudge Factor is right The webs they weave when they practice > > > > to deceive > > > > Patty Can you supply the link to this pdf ur referencing??? From > > > > what I have learned about WHO, their funding leans their studies to be > > > > also part of the problem of the "Fudge Factor" of influencing public > > > > opinion > > > > so sometimes we need to take time and try to read between the lines > > > > for the truth because WHO > > > > is never going to give you the whole truth and nothing but the truth > > > > NEVER > > > > > but nevertheless could you give us the link to this pdf anyway just > > > > so we > > > > can check out any newest fudge factors within some of their > > > > representations? > > > > > Thanks > > > > > D > > > > > On Feb 10, 4:41 am, patty <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Hi John; Check out in Google Scholar: Characteristics, Dosimetry & > > > > > Measurement of EMF by M. Taki a WHO Taki pdf from the Seoul South > > > > > Korea Meeting - Some representations of the microwave auditory effect. > > > > > It's near the end of the pdf.. > > > > > Just Sharing > > > > > Patty > > > > > > On Feb 8, 4:23 pm, pmm232 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I have been pushing different Political Members here in Australia > > > > > > Labor and Liberal Governments also Local Council in the Town of > > > > > > Maitland,New South Wales and the response with the Local Federal > > > > > > Labor > > > > > > Member was it is unfortunate that I am very sensitive to this and > > > > > > even > > > > > > if I moved I could suffer the same. > > > > > > > Very helpful particularly when I think the problem here comes from > > > > > > the > > > > > > Industrial area close to where I live no-one will get measurements > > > > > > taken at my home only Lance Batey so far. > > > > > > What do you have to do , run around the streets with a placard to > > > > > > get > > > > > > help. > > > > > > > I am sure this is coming from the Industrial Area, proving it is the > > > > > > problem. > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > > > Pam M. > > > > > > > On Feb 1, 11:32 pm, "John Dawes" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > The British Government has been aware of the Hum problem for the > > > > > > > past 40 years and has made a few feeble attempts to find the > > > > > > > cause. > > > > > > > For the past 32 years the Department of the Environment (DoE) now > > > > > > > part of the Department of Environment, Food and Rural Affairs > > > > > > > (DEFRA) has been researching the problem and has achieved > > > > > > > nothing, they are now no closer to finding the cause than the day > > > > > > > they began. > > > > > > > The latest wheeze from this department is to employ a > > > > > > > psychiatrist and a psychologist who will convince Hum sufferers > > > > > > > that the problem is all in the mind and if sufferers stop > > > > > > > thinking about the Hum it will go away. > > > > > > > This is a typical British > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Hum Sufferers" group. 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