Hi Laurent, On 11/06/08 10:00, Laurent Blume wrote: > Petr Hruska a ?crit : > >> As a member of QA If there is an issue with poor quality or >> inconsistency of some translation, please report it to opensolaris >> bugzilla. It's a right place to track the issue and if one need to argue >> for quality, having concrete issues on the list is always something good >> to have. >> > > Sure, I will. > > A typical example for me is the word ?proxy?, which shouldn't be > translated in French. Some geeks in the Open Source world seem to enjoy > obfuscating it to ?mandataire?. It's the dictionnary translation, and > the correct one for fields outside computing (eg, legal). > It's not commonly known by the common computer user (the word in itself > is less used than the word proxy is in English). > > In (Open)Solaris, you find a mix of both, depending on the application, > and even inside the same application (such as Pidgin). >
"overtranslating" is a pain .. thanks for the concrete example. > >> well don't see your point completely here. G11n Test Group is having >> various activities around OpenSolaris project. As for "OpenSolaris >> binary distribution" section we are referring that as Indiana project or >> OpenSolaris yyyy.mm release activities. I hope it's correct. >> > > I thought the ?Indiana? term was being phased out by now? > yes could be, good point .. let me double check .. > I'm sorry, but about the page linked, it's not obvious at all it covers > the whole OpenSolaris.org project. > - it's located on Sun.com > also not happy with that, it's temporary solution -> really looking for wikis on opensolaris.org to move there .. > - it uses prominently and only the Sun binary distribution logo > ups, that's true .. thanks for the feedback .. will change it .. > I don't see how somebody going there would believe it has something to > do with the OpenSolaris project as a whole? At least, *I* didn't. > http://wikis.sun.com/display/g11n/OpenSolaris+G11n+Test+Group > yes we have founded the group recently .. It's not official OpenSolaris project right now, but I have a plan to make so .. Definitely I would like to be fully on opensolaris.org. > >> Whole OpenSolaris including OpenSolaris yyyy.mm binary distribution >> releases are open source and g11n test group activities are based around >> that. Can you give me an example on what closed source test group is >> working/testing ? I'm pretty sure opensolaris.org is right alias for us. >> > > I'm not sure who ?us? is. You may be right. > But I'm still confused: from what I've heard, OpenSolaris.com was > established for handling the Sun OpenSolaris binary distro, which does > contain closed source code (at least in the drivers). > I have referred "us" as OS G11n test group. My understanding is that OpenSolaris binary distro LiveCD + pkg repositories on opensolaris.org should not contain any closed source. Pkg repository on OpenSolaris.com will serve customers paying for official support and can contain closed bits. > Moving part of the testing only for parts considered open on another > site seems awkward to me. Is that what you mean? > it's not ideal to be on wikis.com .. as I said I hope wikis on OpenSolaris will come soon. Simple we needed some wiki so we are temporarily using wikis.sun .. to be on complete beginning again genunix.org or other *.org wiki is better choice .. but right now don't want to migrate anywhere to migrate again afterwards. In general test group testing activities are just around OpenSolaris project so we will move completely to OpenSolaris.org as soon as wiki is there. > >> please give us example what source code is inside Indiana ? It's >> definitely legal issues if there is any and we have to remove it asap. >> > > Oh, it's been debated already, everybody knows Indiana contains a lot of > needed closed source code, such as in the drivers. I'm not opposed to > that, I just want to make it clear that some people object on working as > unpaid opensource volunteers with an encumbered, commercial binary > distro. And I do understand their point. > ok, not having much info around drivers as it's a bit out of scope of g11n. As for g11n test group I really would not push volunteers to test internal code for Sun. We would like to offer volunteers our infrastructure (test cases, test repo, test data ..) if there is some interest from their side to make some testing. Announcing reports and test cycle serves to keep community informed about our activities and current issues. > >> I wish all things are clear and hope situation will improve. At least >> some useful things like wiki pages for opensolaris.org are coming and >> also infrastructure and processes will be fully open. >> > > Sorry, I'm not holding my breath. One or two years ago, there was talk > that SunGloss would be replaced by one or the other of those wikis. Then > more wikis popped out. And some more. And SunGloss is still here, and > still useful, and the easiest place to find information. > The rest is sprawled acrossed 4 or 5 domains, dozens of blogs, wikis, > mailing lists... > agree, It last too long for some projects to accomplish them. I'm a "bit" optimistic about wikis now and hope will happen in scope of months .. > It's very good that at Sun, everybody is allowed to have good ideas and > foster them. But some organization is needed too, to make it easier so > that people from outside can communicate easily with that huge, opaque > entity. So far, the situation there is only worsening as more people > have more good ideas and open more wikis. > this is real pain, I agree .. I believe this is understood by OpenSolaris.org governance and that this issue is being work out. It's always question of resources and what I heard there are some now to accomplish this task. Thanks again for your valuable comments .. Kind Regards, Petr H. > Laurent > -- ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Petr Hruska - Software Engineer - Prague G11n Phone: +420 233 009 330 (x49330) email: petr.hruska at sun.com Sun Microsystems Czech, s.r.o. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
