Dear all,

I have fixed the validation issue (thank you, Michal!) and just posted a new 
revision -14 that has all the comments addressed.  

Thanks
--- Alex

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DISCUSS:
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Here is another validation issue, on the latest v13, that must be corrected.
Actually multiple mistakes, all with the same root cause. Note that those 
warnings were reported in the datatracker:
   - Yang catalog entry for [email protected]
   - Yang catalog entry for [email protected]

Thanks to Michal, here is the detailed explanation.
Hi Benoit,
firstly, you see the output only with -V because it changes verbosity to 
'warnings' instead of the default one 'errors'. So, the warnings are valid and 
the when conditions are wrong. In short, in these cases the local module is not 
ietf-l3-unicast-topology, but ietf-network (despite being defined in
ietf-l3-unicast-topology) - "ietf-network:network-types/l3-unicast-topology"
should be
"ietf-network:network-types/ietf-l3-unicast-topology:l3-unicast-topology" or 
even "network-types/ietf-l3-unicast-topology:l3-unicast-topology".

To explain, here is the (long) justification. I will use the first warning as 
an example, all the other warnings are caused by the same mistake. We are 
dealing with a when condition "nw:network-types/l3-unicast-topology" in an 
augment "/nw:networks/nw:network" in the module ietf-l3-unicast-topology. As 
per [1], the context node of the XPath expression (when condition) is the 
augment target node "/nw:networks/nw:network". If you notice, the warning warns 
about not finding the node "l3-unicast-topology", not "nw:network-types". So, 
what node is actually referenced by "l3-unicast-topology"? Looking at [2], 
second bullet point, the namespace (prefix) should that of the "current node".
Sadly, there is no (I have found none) formal definition of "current node" but 
I dared to assume it to be the node returned by the "current()" [3] function.
As was said at the beginning, the "initial context node" is 
"/nw:networks/nw:network". Finally, we can now decide that 
"l3-unicast-topology" actually takes the prefix of the module "ietf-network"
and there is no such node, this node is defined in the module 
"ietf-l3-unicast-topology".

I hope it is clear now.

Kind regards,
Michal

[1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#page-137
[2] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#section-6.4.1
[3] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#section-10.1.1

On Tuesday, December 12, 2017 16:49 CET, Benoit Claise <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Hi Radek,
>
> I'm looking at warnings for
> [email protected] and 
> [email protected]
> See http://www.claise.be/IETFYANGPageCompilation.html
>
> Here is something interesting: the warnings only appear with the -V option.
>
> bclaise@bclaise-VirtualBox:~/ietf/YANG-all$ yanglint 
> [email protected]
> bclaise@bclaise-VirtualBox:~/ietf/YANG-all$ yanglint -i 
> [email protected]
> bclaise@bclaise-VirtualBox:~/ietf/YANG-all$ yanglint -i -V 
> [email protected]
> warn: Schema node "l3-unicast-topology" not found
> (ietf-network:network-types/l3-unicast-topology) with context node 
> "/ietf-network:networks/network".
> warn: Schema node "l3-unicast-topology" not found
> (../ietf-network:network-types/l3-unicast-topology) with context node 
> "/ietf-network:networks/network/node".
> warn: Schema node "l3-unicast-topology" not found
> (../ietf-network:network-types/l3-unicast-topology) with context node 
> "/ietf-network:networks/ietf-network:network/link".
> warn: Schema node "l3-unicast-topology" not found
> (../../ietf-network:network-types/l3-unicast-topology) with context 
> node
>
"/ietf-network:networks/ietf-network:network/ietf-network:node/termination-point".
> bclaise@bclaise-VirtualBox:~/ietf/YANG-all$ yanglint -v > yanglint 
> 0.13.79 >
bclaise@bclaise-VirtualBox:~/ietf/YANG-all$ > > 
bclaise@bclaise-VirtualBox:~/ietf/YANG-all$ yanglint > 
[email protected] > 
bclaise@bclaise-VirtualBox:~/ietf/YANG-all$ yanglint -i > 
[email protected] > 
bclaise@bclaise-VirtualBox:~/ietf/YANG-all$ yanglint -i -V > 
[email protected] > warn: Schema node 
"l3-unicast-topology" not found >
(ietf-network:network-types/l3-unicast-topology) with context node > 
"/ietf-network:networks/network". > warn: Schema node "l3-unicast-topology" not 
found > (../ietf-network:network-types/l3-unicast-topology) with context node > 
"/ietf-network:networks/network/node". > warn: Schema node 
"l3-unicast-topology" not found >
(../ietf-network:network-types/l3-unicast-topology) with context node > 
"/ietf-network:networks/ietf-network:network/link". > warn: Schema node 
"l3-unicast-topology" not found >
(../../ietf-network:network-types/l3-unicast-topology) with context node > 
"/ietf-network:networks/ietf-network:network/ietf-network:node/termination-point".
> warn: Schema node "l3-unicast-topology" not found >
(ietf-network-state:network-types/l3-unicast-topology) with context node > 
"/ietf-network-state:networks/network". > warn: Schema node 
"l3-unicast-topology" not found >
(../ietf-network-state:network-types/l3-unicast-topology) with context > node 
"/ietf-network-state:networks/network/node". > warn: Schema node 
"l3-unicast-topology" not found >
(../ietf-network-state:network-types/l3-unicast-topology) with context > node 
"/ietf-network-state:networks/ietf-network-state:network/link".

> warn: Schema node "l3-unicast-topology" not found
> (../../ietf-network-state:network-types/l3-unicast-topology) with 
> context node
>
"/ietf-network-state:networks/ietf-network-state:network/ietf-network-state:node/termination-point".
> bclaise@bclaise-VirtualBox:~/ietf/YANG-all$ > > Should we pay 
> attention to
those? > > Regards, Benoit

====================================================
Preliminary note: I hope I'm doing the right thing by updating this DISCUSS 
point as  I understand that the document is back to the WG. However, since I 
reviewed the version 11, since some of my ballot points have been addressed 
(thank you), and since I wanted to share my feedback publicly, here is my 
feedback.

1. The examples.
In the AUTH48 for the RESTCONF RFC, the example YANG module discussion came up 
(again).  And the examples in draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-l3-topology were also 
discussed. Here is the feedback from one YANG doctor, from a couple of days ago.

Look at this:

   module example-ietf-ospf-topology {
     ...
     namespace
       "urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:example-ietf-ospf-topology";
     ...
     description
       "This module defines a model for OSPF network topologies.
        Copyright (c) 2017 IETF Trust and the persons identified as
        authors of the code.

They are using the IANA-controlled namespace w/o registering it.

This module *really* looks like a proper normative module, rather than an 
example.  They went to far in trying to mimic a real module.

It is clear that we need more guidelines in 6087 for how to write example 
modules.

I was going to ask if this module passed YANG doctor review - then I checked 
and saw that version -02 was reviewed, which didn't include this example.  How 
should we (the YANG doctors) handle such a case?

In this case they should:

  1.  change the name to example-ospf-topology
  2.  change the namespace to urn:example:ospf-topology
  3.  remove the top-level statements:
          organization, contact, revision

  4.  change the top-level description to what the text in the draft
      says:

      description
        "This module is intended as an example for how the
         Layer 3 Unicast topology model can be extended to cover
         OSFP topologies.";

(same for the other example module)

As I mentioned to the authors, respective chairs and AD already, we should 
follow the decision in this NETMOD email thread 
https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/netmod/current/msg17428.html This will 
hopefully resolve fast. Once settled, the examples should be updated.

4.

       leaf-list router-id {
           type inet:ip-address;
           description
             "Router-id for the node";
         }

My initial DISCUSS was: We don't want to wait for
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types-00 (btw, we should 
expedite this publication), but any good reason why this is aligned with its 
definition?
    typedef router-id {
       type yang:dotted-quad;
       description
         "A 32-bit number in the dotted quad format assigned to each
          router. This number uniquely identifies the router within an
          Autonomous System.";
     }

My NEW DISCUSS: since is in IETF LC and on the telechat on Oct 12th, it makes 
sense to import its router-id


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COMMENT:
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- YANG definition "YANG: A data definition language for NETCONF"
I would use:
   YANG is a data modeling language used to model configuration data,
   state data, Remote Procedure Calls, and notifications for network
   management protocols [RFC7950]

- There are multiple slightly different definitions of the datastore in the 
different RFCs.
Let's not add to the confusion.
Pick one (RFC6241 should be the latest one) and mention the reference.

I'm copying Lada, as the responsible YANG doctor, in case he wants to add 
anything.
- section 7
OLD:
The moodel defines
NEW:
The model defines



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