This is getting meta, but (in a general sense) this: > don't complain, send a patch
is a pretty unhelpful reaction in my eyes. So we can't open bugs if we don't provide the fix as well? We can't ask for features without implementing it? Most of us are busy and to be honest, I don't have the time to dig into the source code of *every* application I'm using if I feel that an improvement can be made. I wouldn't find time to eat, sleep or earn my living anymore. Of course it's a good thing if someone does; I just argue it shouldn't be a requirement. That being said, I didn't think any of this was dramatic and I didn't think Michael's or Jeff's responses were in any way "unreasonable". Someone asked a question, Michael made his stance, Tony provided a reasonable solution. Ingo On 04/05/2015 01:04 PM, Donald Allen wrote: > On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 3:39 AM, Jeff Abrahamson <[email protected]> wrote: >> (To be clear and before anyone has a chance to remark on it: that was meant >> in support of the OP of the question, not meant as a chastisement of >> Michael. Sorry if it read a bit as the latter.) > Yes, it did read that way, pretty clearly. It's good that you realized > it yourself and sent the above. > > While I think you are correct that it's unintended behavior -- a bug > -- but not important functionally, I think Michael's response is > perfectly reasonable, as the developer of good software for which we > must all remember he is giving us free of charge. I don't know > Michael, but I have seen indications that he's a busy guy. As someone > who had a 45-year career in software development, I can tell you that > just continuing development of i3 and providing the level of support > he does is a big job. And that's in addition to whatever he does to > earn his living and have a life. So, without trying to speak for him, > I'm guessing his response came from that perspective. It was also a > bit like the old joke about he fellow who says to the doctor "Doctor, > when I do this, it hurts". To which the doctor responded "Don't do > that". > > I would also add that we are living in an open source world. Part of > the point of open source is that we can all contribute to the > development of a piece of software. Read or listen to any of Richard > Stallman's descriptions of his issue with a laser printer many years > ago that resulted in his leading us in this direction and you see that > collaboration between users and developers as at the core of the open > source movement. The original poster expressed a concern about a > certain behavior in i3, Michael essentially said "I have more > important things to work on, from which you will benefit, so just > avoid provoking that behavior", and then Tony Crisci suggested a fix > that doesn't require Michael's involvement. This is the way it's > supposed to work. Read the OpenBSD mailing lists. While the tone is > too nasty for my taste, especially when Theo de Raadt gets involved, > he and they have a point: don't complain, send a patch! > > /Don Allen > >> Jeff Abrahamson >> +33 6 24 40 01 57 >> +44 7920 594 255 <-- only if I'm in the UK >> >> http://jeff.purple.com/ >> http://blog.purple.com/jeff/ >> >> On 5 April 2015 at 09:30, Jeff Abrahamson <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Wait, that's not a very empathetic response. I agree with you, Michael, >>> that this isn't a huge problem functionally, but it *looks* ugly and it >>> *looks* like unintended behavior. And that's reason enough for the OP to >>> raise the issue, in case no one had noticed. >>> >>> From there, it's certainly reasonable if you want to say that it's not >>> your priority to fix. And to invite a patch, whether or not you want to >>> offer tips on how it might be patched. >>> >>> Jeff Abrahamson >>> +33 6 24 40 01 57 >>> +44 7920 594 255 <-- only if I'm in the UK >>> >>> http://jeff.purple.com/ >>> http://blog.purple.com/jeff/ >>> >>> On 5 April 2015 at 09:18, Michael Stapelberg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> What’s the problem with this behavior? >>>> >>>> It surely is technically possible to avoid it, but why bother? >>>> >>>> On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 12:14 AM, Hector <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> Dear I3wm list , >>>>> >>>>> Recently I was using my laptop with i3wm, my version is 4.8 >>>>> (2014-06-15, branch "4.8") I run debian testing, I couldn't say that >>>>> I >>>>> haven't fallen in love with it,but checking the option to exit from >>>>> my current session if I press once, I get the normal message set >>>>> by the default configuration, but if I press many times >>>>> $mod+Shift+e I get something like in the attached picture. >>>>> >>>>> Is there any way to add some snipe of code to solve it if I press many >>>>> times?. >>>>> >>>>> Can anybody confirm this behavior maybe I'm wrong and it just >>>>> happend to me. >>>>> >>>>> Best Regards, >>>>> Hector. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Best regards, >>>> Michael >>>
