On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 2:06 PM, David Farning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This takes us back to the collaboration server discussions from last week. > > Rather than attempting to organizing content it may be preferable to improve > the tools which help users self organize into communities. > > Last night I got into a discussion about the value of the Neighborhood view > with my 2nd grade niece:) She was pretty befuddled as to why she had to > chose between belkin_019, linksys_1, meshview_11,.... From her perspective > it made more sense to click on 'Mrs. Kings class' if she wanted to do her > homework, or 'After school fun' if she wanted to talk with her friends. > > While the idea of APs and mesh networks is important to us as geeks and > developers. From a user point of view the idea of virtual communities or > rooms seems clearer. > > Maybe it is my misunderstanding of the nature of a jabber sever. A IRC > server is pretty useless until the users can self select into channels. > > Possibly, the idea of manipulating narratives could be best handled by > helping communities develop which can discover, share, and reflect on > _their_own_ stories. > > thanks > david > > On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 11:39 AM, Walter Bender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> >> We need to add an its.an.education.project alias to this list... >> >> -walter >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Walter Bender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Date: Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 12:29 PM >> Subject: Re: [sugar] Narrative >> To: Sameer Verma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Cc: Bryan Berry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED], sugar >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "its. an. education. project" >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >> Each of us seems to have interpreted Michael's note differently, so >> perhaps some more clarity of definitions is in order. In any case, my >> focus was on the assertion that there are "no excellent way to >> manipulate narratives" within Sugar. Excellence is the standard we >> should be striving for and I do agree we have a ways to go in terms of >> developing tools for "manipulating" "narratives" within Sugar. But it >> seems a funny dichotomy: manipulating narratives vs. modes for >> discovery. >> >> When I think about Sugar, I think about its providing a scaffolding >> for discovering, expressing, critiquing, and reflecting. Manipulating >> narrative seems to cut across all of these area (as does >> collaboration). We have a browser--the "discovery" platform du >> jour--but also an ebook reader and media player, and various tools for >> collecting and inspecting data (e.g, Measure and Distance). In terms >> of expression, we have a wide variety of tools, including word >> processing, rich media, programming, etc. Tools for critique and >> reflection seems the least developed thus far: we have chat and we >> have sharing and simple debugging tools, and we have the Journal, but >> we don't yet support (natively) much in the way of organizing data to >> make an analysis or argument. Is this the role Bryan expects Moodle to >> play? If so, I don't really see how. There are beginnings of tools >> such as spreadsheets, mindmaps, etc. being "Sugarized". What else >> should we add to this list? There is also a powerful presentation >> toolkit built into Etoys--is it the lack of PowerPoint that Bryan is >> missing?--but it is not very easy to find. Perhaps something more >> wiki-like or HTML-based would be better. Having it available off-line >> is probably as important as accessing an on-line system, such as is >> already available in Moodle and in general on any GNU/Linux (or even >> Windows) server. In terms of organizing school itself, Moodle and its >> like certainly have an important role to play. Sugar is not intended >> to be all things, but part of a learning ecosystem. >> >> There is certainly a paucity of lesson plans developed around Sugar: >> how does one best leverage this collection of tools for learning. And >> undoubtedly, a dearth of content readily packaged and categorized. But >> I don't see these as fundamental design flaws in Sugar as much as a >> place where more effort needs to be invested. Sugar is reaching a >> point of maturity where such investments make sense. >> >> In any case, I'd love to hear Michael's "interesting ideas". >> >> -walter >> >> >> >> -- >> Walter Bender >> Sugar Labs >> http://www.sugarlabs.org >> _______________________________________________ >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >> [email protected] >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > >
I like your niece's model of the neighborhood view--maybe we can have some way of generating aliases for the various APs based upon which Jabber server you are on; the Jabber servers themselves could have nicknames too, based on their intended constituency. But it skirts the question of what tools communities use to organize content and generate their narratives. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org _______________________________________________ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) [email protected] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
