Re: grey vs. colors in progress: Actually, I have an issue with all-grey... users could worry that colors are not working in the Sugar UI.
I think we should consider colors although I do appreciate the "still loading" context communicated by grey. I will post a mockup later expressing that approach; grey dots present right from the start (ring power!), filling in with color during progress... the ring "approaching" colors from grey I would not recommend customizing the splash/progress from within Sugar... boot time is often a tense moment fraught with impatience (especially after a freeze/crash) and predictability in how Sugar "usually" loads is I think desirable thanks Sean On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 6:22 PM, Gary C Martin <g...@garycmartin.com> wrote: > On 30 May 2009, at 16:36, Christian Marc Schmidt wrote: > >> I agree with your points--comments below: >> >> On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Gary C Martin <g...@garycmartin.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Christian, >>> >>> On 30 May 2009, at 10:17, Christian Marc Schmidt wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Gary, this looks good, though I wonder about the loss of the XO in >>>> the center. The boot sequence was intended to establish the UI, and in >>>> many ways the XO does signify the Sugar brand as much (more?) as the >>>> logo. Suggestion: Could we not simply show the logo for a few seconds, >>>> before transitioning into the current boot sequence? I'd hate to lose >>>> the current sequence, I think it works very well, and Eben will attest >>>> that much time was spent arriving at where we are today... >>> >>> Yes, agreed, the original boot up is very hard to beat (showing a child >>> as >>> central). Just bouncing ideas about here. My only criticisms of the >>> original >>> would be: >>> >>> 1) not liking the kid icon breaking into a rotating arrow treatment >>> (seems >>> too forced/smart, the whole XO icon is a stronger identity, appearing >>> dots >>> show progress just fine) >> >> Yes, I fully agree! A stationary XO icon would be simpler, less forced. >> >>> 2) seemed odd for the dots to appear from 6 o'clock to 6 o'clock (12 to >>> 12 >>> feels more natural to me) >> >> Agree with that, too. > > Cool. There's a sample animation of the 2 above uploaded. > >>> 3) lack of any colour (though this is tough to avoid breaking HIG >>> iconography on colour use) >> >> Here, I think it would be best if the XO would have the colors set in the >> UI... > > Sebastian is truly, madly, deeply going to hate you for this suggestion ;-) > > I do like that use of greys to signify that 'things are not ready yet' so > I'm on the fence here. I did try another animation with the dots appearing > in the 12 logo fill/outline colours. I did wonder about showing them all as > grey from the start, and then lighting up with colour. > > Regards, > --Gary > >>> Regards, >>> --Gary >>> >>>> Christian >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 10:59 PM, Gary C Martin <g...@garycmartin.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Folks, >>>>> >>>>> Just to get a basic, safe, default starting point in there, I've >>>>> uploaded >>>>> one simple treatment to: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#Sugar_Boot_Logo_Animations >>>>> >>>>> Will try to upload a couple more tomorrow. >>>>> >>>>> Night, >>>>> --Gary >>>>> >>>>> P.S. Should pull this back on list, your call Sean, but probably worth >>>>> getting a couple more ideas up so that folks can input to some >>>>> alternative >>>>> treatments. >>>>> >>>>> On 30 May 2009, at 00:58, Sean DALY wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Christian, Eben >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm not sure if you are on sugar-devel but this is I think an >>>>>> outstanding opportunity for Sugar branding, "celebrating" Sugar >>>>>> interface.iconography and greeting children. >>>>>> >>>>>> I know nothing about the plymouth boot animator, but i deduce that >>>>>> consecutively named files will do the trick >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm willing to attack this but before I try scraping screenshots, do >>>>>> you guys have any interface assets i could grab? >>>>>> >>>>>> Input greatly appreciated >>>>>> >>>>>> thanks >>>>>> >>>>>> Sean >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:32 AM, Sean DALY <sdaly...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Maybe we could work on it together? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> here's my idea.... like my booth rollup banner mockup which Christian >>>>>>> 7 Eben both liked, I want to stay as much as possible within the >>>>>>> Sugar >>>>>>> HIG and iconography. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> boot should start with our logo ... smaller than in the previous SoaS >>>>>>> ... (not sure yet if should be with or without "labs") >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The ring is iconic ... I want to keep a ring at boot... but instead >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> dots, I want XO avatars - kids! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In the middle... each succeeding image with a colored Activity >>>>>>> icon... >>>>>>> matched to the corresponding XO avatar appearing in the ring. So kids >>>>>>> understand that Activities are for them. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And ending with... kids around the Journal! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Alternate idea: cycling through the 12 logo color combos? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Not mutually exclusive... logo could be on the bottom of ring >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What do you think? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> thanks >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sean >>>>>>> >>>>>>> P.S. I've actually done something similar with a titling sequence for >>>>>>> a short film. I started with the final image and wiped elements, >>>>>>> backing down to the first image >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I use imagemagick a lot no problem to create a script which could >>>>>>> inject arbitrary text into a ppm file >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 11:47 PM, Gary C Martin >>>>>>> <g...@garycmartin.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Sean, >>>>>>>> FYI, this came in off list. >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> --G >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Begin forwarded message: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From: James Zaki <james.z...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> Date: 29 May 2009 22:24:06 BST >>>>>>>> To: Gary C Martin <g...@garycmartin.com> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Request for Artwork: Boot Screen >>>>>>>> I'm in touch with a design company who owes me a favour or two. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I could get them to whip up some concept designs for inspiration? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> James >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2009/5/29 Gary C Martin <g...@garycmartin.com> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 29 May 2009, at 21:37, Sean DALY wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sebastian, Gary >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'd like to take a stab at it, I've actually had an idea brewing >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> awhile >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Cool, shout if you need extra hands/review. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> --G >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> What's the deadline please? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> thanks >>>>>>>>>> Sean >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 8:54 PM, Gary C Martin >>>>>>>>>> <g...@garycmartin.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 29 May 2009, at 18:41, Sebastian Dziallas wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi folks, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> sorry for the short notice, but this is rather urgent. I've been >>>>>>>>>>>> spending yesterday afternoon to update the packages in our SoaS >>>>>>>>>>>> Yum >>>>>>>>>>>> repo >>>>>>>>>>>> to reflect the changes for Fedora 11. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> As it turned out, the plymouth package has been partly >>>>>>>>>>>> rewritten, >>>>>>>>>>>> and I >>>>>>>>>>>> was wondering (also with regard to #709), how we wanted to deal >>>>>>>>>>>> with a >>>>>>>>>>>> new boot screen. For now, I've just implemented the old Sugar >>>>>>>>>>>> logo >>>>>>>>>>>> again, but we might also want to have something more shiny >>>>>>>>>>>> (probably >>>>>>>>>>>> with a progress bar). >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Some form of progress indicator would be a useful addition. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not really that good at art and the Sugar logo thing there >>>>>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>> first nothing more than a quick hack, so it'd would be really >>>>>>>>>>>> great if >>>>>>>>>>>> someone could have a look and work on such a boot screen. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm happy to give it a look/shot from a graphics point of view if >>>>>>>>>>> no >>>>>>>>>>> one else steps forward. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So. When did you need it by? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> OLPC is currently doing the same for their 1.5 software release, >>>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>>> gives us a good possibility to have a look at the file >>>>>>>>>>>> structure: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.freedesktop.org/~halfline/olpc.tar.bz2 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Please let me know if there's anything I can help with. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm new to plymouth, but looking at the content of olpc.tar.bz2 >>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>> seems simple. My main question is where should I look for the >>>>>>>>>>> config >>>>>>>>>>> that describes which images get loaded in what order. Perhaps the >>>>>>>>>>> names just conform to some hardcoded protocol? How about the >>>>>>>>>>> location >>>>>>>>>>> of corner-image.png, perhaps hardcoded again? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm just downloading your latest Soas build so will have a dig in >>>>>>>>>>> there to see what you have done already – I'm just wondering if >>>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>> is really as easy as generating a bunch of png files with the >>>>>>>>>>> correct >>>>>>>>>>> file names :-) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>> --Gary >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>>> --Sebastian >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>> Sugar-devel mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>> sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org >>>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> Sugar-devel mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org >>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Sugar-devel mailing list >>>>>>>>> sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org >>>>>>>>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> anyth...@christianmarcschmidt.com >>>> >>>> http://www.christianmarcschmidt.com >>>> >>>> 917/ 575 0013 >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> anyth...@christianmarcschmidt.com >> >> http://www.christianmarcschmidt.com >> >> 917/ 575 0013 > > _______________________________________________ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) 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