On 30 May 2009, at 17:58, Sean DALY wrote: > Re: grey vs. colors in progress: Actually, I have an issue with > all-grey... users could worry that colors are not working in the Sugar > UI. > > I think we should consider colors although I do appreciate the "still > loading" context communicated by grey. > > I will post a mockup later expressing that approach; grey dots present > right from the start (ring power!), filling in with color during > progress... the ring "approaching" colors from grey
There's a couple of grey dots to colour transition variants up on the wiki (I did a version each for 12 large dots, and 24 regular dot). Regards, --Gary > I would not recommend customizing the splash/progress from within > Sugar... boot time is often a tense moment fraught with impatience > (especially after a freeze/crash) and predictability in how Sugar > "usually" loads is I think desirable > > thanks > > Sean > > > On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 6:22 PM, Gary C Martin > <g...@garycmartin.com> wrote: >> On 30 May 2009, at 16:36, Christian Marc Schmidt wrote: >> >>> I agree with your points--comments below: >>> >>> On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Gary C Martin <g...@garycmartin.com >>> > >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Christian, >>>> >>>> On 30 May 2009, at 10:17, Christian Marc Schmidt wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Gary, this looks good, though I wonder about the loss of the >>>>> XO in >>>>> the center. The boot sequence was intended to establish the UI, >>>>> and in >>>>> many ways the XO does signify the Sugar brand as much (more?) as >>>>> the >>>>> logo. Suggestion: Could we not simply show the logo for a few >>>>> seconds, >>>>> before transitioning into the current boot sequence? I'd hate to >>>>> lose >>>>> the current sequence, I think it works very well, and Eben will >>>>> attest >>>>> that much time was spent arriving at where we are today... >>>> >>>> Yes, agreed, the original boot up is very hard to beat (showing a >>>> child >>>> as >>>> central). Just bouncing ideas about here. My only criticisms of the >>>> original >>>> would be: >>>> >>>> 1) not liking the kid icon breaking into a rotating arrow treatment >>>> (seems >>>> too forced/smart, the whole XO icon is a stronger identity, >>>> appearing >>>> dots >>>> show progress just fine) >>> >>> Yes, I fully agree! A stationary XO icon would be simpler, less >>> forced. >>> >>>> 2) seemed odd for the dots to appear from 6 o'clock to 6 o'clock >>>> (12 to >>>> 12 >>>> feels more natural to me) >>> >>> Agree with that, too. >> >> Cool. There's a sample animation of the 2 above uploaded. >> >>>> 3) lack of any colour (though this is tough to avoid breaking HIG >>>> iconography on colour use) >>> >>> Here, I think it would be best if the XO would have the colors set >>> in the >>> UI... >> >> Sebastian is truly, madly, deeply going to hate you for this >> suggestion ;-) >> >> I do like that use of greys to signify that 'things are not ready >> yet' so >> I'm on the fence here. I did try another animation with the dots >> appearing >> in the 12 logo fill/outline colours. I did wonder about showing >> them all as >> grey from the start, and then lighting up with colour. >> >> Regards, >> --Gary >> >>>> Regards, >>>> --Gary >>>> >>>>> Christian >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 10:59 PM, Gary C Martin <g...@garycmartin.com >>>>> > >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Folks, >>>>>> >>>>>> Just to get a basic, safe, default starting point in there, I've >>>>>> uploaded >>>>>> one simple treatment to: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#Sugar_Boot_Logo_Animations >>>>>> >>>>>> Will try to upload a couple more tomorrow. >>>>>> >>>>>> Night, >>>>>> --Gary >>>>>> >>>>>> P.S. Should pull this back on list, your call Sean, but >>>>>> probably worth >>>>>> getting a couple more ideas up so that folks can input to some >>>>>> alternative >>>>>> treatments. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 30 May 2009, at 00:58, Sean DALY wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Christian, Eben >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm not sure if you are on sugar-devel but this is I think an >>>>>>> outstanding opportunity for Sugar branding, "celebrating" Sugar >>>>>>> interface.iconography and greeting children. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I know nothing about the plymouth boot animator, but i deduce >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> consecutively named files will do the trick >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm willing to attack this but before I try scraping >>>>>>> screenshots, do >>>>>>> you guys have any interface assets i could grab? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Input greatly appreciated >>>>>>> >>>>>>> thanks >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sean >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:32 AM, Sean DALY <sdaly...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Maybe we could work on it together? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> here's my idea.... like my booth rollup banner mockup which >>>>>>>> Christian >>>>>>>> 7 Eben both liked, I want to stay as much as possible within >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> Sugar >>>>>>>> HIG and iconography. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> boot should start with our logo ... smaller than in the >>>>>>>> previous SoaS >>>>>>>> ... (not sure yet if should be with or without "labs") >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The ring is iconic ... I want to keep a ring at boot... but >>>>>>>> instead >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> dots, I want XO avatars - kids! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In the middle... each succeeding image with a colored Activity >>>>>>>> icon... >>>>>>>> matched to the corresponding XO avatar appearing in the ring. >>>>>>>> So kids >>>>>>>> understand that Activities are for them. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And ending with... kids around the Journal! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Alternate idea: cycling through the 12 logo color combos? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Not mutually exclusive... logo could be on the bottom of ring >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What do you think? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> thanks >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sean >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> P.S. I've actually done something similar with a titling >>>>>>>> sequence for >>>>>>>> a short film. I started with the final image and wiped >>>>>>>> elements, >>>>>>>> backing down to the first image >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I use imagemagick a lot no problem to create a script which >>>>>>>> could >>>>>>>> inject arbitrary text into a ppm file >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 11:47 PM, Gary C Martin >>>>>>>> <g...@garycmartin.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Sean, >>>>>>>>> FYI, this came in off list. >>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>> --G >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Begin forwarded message: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> From: James Zaki <james.z...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> Date: 29 May 2009 22:24:06 BST >>>>>>>>> To: Gary C Martin <g...@garycmartin.com> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Request for Artwork: Boot >>>>>>>>> Screen >>>>>>>>> I'm in touch with a design company who owes me a favour or >>>>>>>>> two. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I could get them to whip up some concept designs for >>>>>>>>> inspiration? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> James >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2009/5/29 Gary C Martin <g...@garycmartin.com> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 29 May 2009, at 21:37, Sean DALY wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sebastian, Gary >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to take a stab at it, I've actually had an idea >>>>>>>>>>> brewing >>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>> awhile >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Cool, shout if you need extra hands/review. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> --G >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> What's the deadline please? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> thanks >>>>>>>>>>> Sean >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 8:54 PM, Gary C Martin >>>>>>>>>>> <g...@garycmartin.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 29 May 2009, at 18:41, Sebastian Dziallas wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi folks, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> sorry for the short notice, but this is rather urgent. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been >>>>>>>>>>>>> spending yesterday afternoon to update the packages in >>>>>>>>>>>>> our SoaS >>>>>>>>>>>>> Yum >>>>>>>>>>>>> repo >>>>>>>>>>>>> to reflect the changes for Fedora 11. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> As it turned out, the plymouth package has been partly >>>>>>>>>>>>> rewritten, >>>>>>>>>>>>> and I >>>>>>>>>>>>> was wondering (also with regard to #709), how we wanted >>>>>>>>>>>>> to deal >>>>>>>>>>>>> with a >>>>>>>>>>>>> new boot screen. For now, I've just implemented the old >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sugar >>>>>>>>>>>>> logo >>>>>>>>>>>>> again, but we might also want to have something more shiny >>>>>>>>>>>>> (probably >>>>>>>>>>>>> with a progress bar). >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Some form of progress indicator would be a useful addition. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not really that good at art and the Sugar logo thing >>>>>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>> first nothing more than a quick hack, so it'd would be >>>>>>>>>>>>> really >>>>>>>>>>>>> great if >>>>>>>>>>>>> someone could have a look and work on such a boot screen. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm happy to give it a look/shot from a graphics point of >>>>>>>>>>>> view if >>>>>>>>>>>> no >>>>>>>>>>>> one else steps forward. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> So. When did you need it by? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> OLPC is currently doing the same for their 1.5 software >>>>>>>>>>>>> release, >>>>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>>>> gives us a good possibility to have a look at the file >>>>>>>>>>>>> structure: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.freedesktop.org/~halfline/olpc.tar.bz2 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Please let me know if there's anything I can help with. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm new to plymouth, but looking at the content of >>>>>>>>>>>> olpc.tar.bz2 >>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>> seems simple. My main question is where should I look for >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> config >>>>>>>>>>>> that describes which images get loaded in what order. >>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps the >>>>>>>>>>>> names just conform to some hardcoded protocol? How about >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> location >>>>>>>>>>>> of corner-image.png, perhaps hardcoded again? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm just downloading your latest Soas build so will have >>>>>>>>>>>> a dig in >>>>>>>>>>>> there to see what you have done already – I'm just >>>>>>>>>>>> wondering if >>>>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>>> is really as easy as generating a bunch of png files with >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> correct >>>>>>>>>>>> file names :-) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>> --Gary >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>>>> --Sebastian >>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sugar-devel mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>>> sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>> Sugar-devel mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>> sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org >>>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Sugar-devel mailing list >>>>>>>>>> sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org >>>>>>>>>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> anyth...@christianmarcschmidt.com >>>>> >>>>> http://www.christianmarcschmidt.com >>>>> >>>>> 917/ 575 0013 >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> anyth...@christianmarcschmidt.com >>> >>> http://www.christianmarcschmidt.com >>> >>> 917/ 575 0013 >> >> _______________________________________________ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) 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