The TSO "environment" was most usefully "updated" in V1R11 at least with the "logon here" function - long available in VM, it has to be said. Perhaps it was some manifestation of "rigor mortis"!
Chris Mason On Thu, 20 May 2010 11:04:58 -0400, zMan <zedgarhoo...@gmail.com> wrote: >My bad -- I meant that the entire environment is pretty stable and not >updated; it seems that it's the ISPF layer that is having trouble here, not >TSO itself. I realize they're different, but they're *almost* synonymous. My >point remains: where's the win for IBM? > >On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Thompson, Steve < >steve_thomp...@stercomm.com> wrote: > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On >> Behalf Of zMan >> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 8:36 AM >> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu >> Subject: Re: Large 3270 screen size and TSO/ISPF 6.0 on z/OS v1.10 >> >> On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 4:48 AM, Nick Jones <nbjone...@talktalk.net> >> wrote: >> >> > Mark, >> > Sorry to pick up on this old post but we have just upgraded from z/OS >> 1.9 >> > to >> > z/OS 1.11 and, like you, take advantage of screen sizes in excess of >> > 62x160. >> > >> > We have the same problem with ISPF 6.1 as you had with ISPF 6.0. i.e. >> > TSO obeys the terminal setting of 86x190, as does SELCOPY/i when run >> > directly from TSO, but ISPF switches to MOD 2. >> > >> > Did you manage to get a solution (or an explination) from IBM ? >> > >> >> What's to explain? TSO is old and grotty, and supporting random screen >> sizes >> in fullscreen apps is a pain. By no means impossible, of course, but a >> lot >> of work. Will making that investment sell more TSO or keep sites from >> migrating off? Unlikely... so why would they do it? >> >> Unpleasant reality, but reality nonetheless. >> <SNIPPAGE> >> >> Let me see if I have this right. TSO supports the huge screen size. So >> it is old and grotty. >> >> ISPF has a problem with it and forces MOD2. But it is OK since it >> supports the workstation model with GUI. >> >> The problem with ISPF, according to one of the guys here who does more >> stuff with ISPF than I do, is that ISPF supports a smaller size -- >> because for whatever reason, they [ISPF] changed things to use a smaller >> workspace/buffer/screen size/addressing (it was one of those or some >> combination). IIRC, an earlier release of ISPF *WAS* supporting the >> larger sizes (was that z/OS 1.6?). >> >> But, TSO supports the humungous screen sizes -- so it is old grotty and >> well, dead. >> >> Reality, not perception. >> >> Regards, >> Steve Thompson ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
