Being a long time VM Person (now z/VM), it really does depend on what your
needs are.
Back then, fixes were applied by assembling the module source with all the
updates,
loading all the modules to tape, and then booting the tape.  VM was a very
interactive
environment with hundreds of online users and dozens of Service machines.
Often, CP,
CMS, RSCS, and PVM were modified when local code to achieve something
customized.  So 
knowing the internals was definitely more important.  If your environment is
primarily
Linux (or even z/OS, z/VSE, or z/TPF), then that customization is not likely
to be needed.
The z/VM parm file makes it easier to make changes to the environment. zVM
even discovers
your hardware.  SES makes applying fixes very much akin to z/OS.  So, if you
can afford
the 5 days (time and dollars), it could be worthwhile.  Reading the manual
and understanding
the basics is not all the difficult, either. You can even run a second-level
z/VM environment,
if you want to try to break that first before impacting a production world.

zNorman


-----Original Message-----
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
Of George Henke
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 Friday 5:59 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: zVM training

Just read the manual 3 times and do it once.  It's a whole lot less
expensive.  Especially when IBM makes the manuals all available for free on
the internet.

After all what is a consultant anyway.  Just someone who has read the manual
because nobody else wants too and more often than not its the client's
manual anyway or through the client's internet.

I have found when teaching 3 - 5 day blockbuster courses on systems,
internals or whatever that there are basically 3 to 5 manuals you have to
know and you have to know them "cold" before you step into a classroom for
that day's lecture.

Great prep for when you actually have to do it in practice.

But practice is what separates the "men from the boys".

Anybody can talk it, fake it, in the classroom, but when it comes time to
bring the system up there is a real "acid test" of what you know or don't
know.

On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 10:47 AM, Steve Comstock
<[email protected]>wrote:

> bob molerio wrote:
>
>> An FYI:
>>
>> It seems SUNY Binghamton NY is offering a series of z and Enterprise
>> courses. I checked and they are offering an Intro to z/VM course, a z/VM
>> Advanced Topics and Techniques class and an Intro to the HMC course.
>>
>> The courses are pricey. about $1400/course if you are a NYS resident,
>> $2200/course if your are an out-of-stater.
>>
>>
>> Thank you,     Bob Molerio
>>
>
> "If you think training is expensive, consider ignorance."
>  - attributed to various individuals and organizations
>
>
> Whether those numbers should be considered pricey or not depends
> on duration, completeness, and effectiveness. Price is not the
> only factor in 'value'.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Kind regards,
>
> -Steve Comstock
> The Trainer's Friend, Inc.
>
> 303-393-8716
> http://www.trainersfriend.com
>
> * To get a good Return on your Investment, first make an investment!
>  + Training your people is an excellent investment
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