Correct. I meant FDR or DFDSS or even IRRUTnnn unload. Not IRRDBU00.

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List 
> [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Chase, John
> Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 6:54 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
> Subject: Re: A New Threat for password hacking
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Binyamin Dissen
> > 
> > On Mon, 29 Nov 2010 04:39:54 -0600 Brian Westerman
> > <brian_wester...@syzygyinc.com> wrote:
> > 
> > :>It's kind of difficult to use a brute force attack when 
> RACF revokes
> the ID
> > :>after a site specified number of attempts.  Assuming the site
> doesn't allow
> > :>1 or 2 character passwords (you don't do you), even if 
> the site were
> to
> > :>allow 100 attempts, it's statistically a REALLY long shot to guess
> the
> > :>password.  I would imagine that most sites have 3 or 4 as 
> the number
> of
> > :>attempts, making the probability for success of a brute 
> force attack
> too
> > :>remote to consider as they wouldn't even get out of the single
> character
> > :>attempts.
> > 
> > If you have the offload, you can make as many attempts as you wish.
> 
> But the "offload" (did you mean "unload", as produced by IRRDBU00?)
> doesn't contain the password....
> 
> If you meant "backup", then your point is valid.
> 
>     -jc-
> 
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