Yep, I agree , trying to explain to manglers , aka managers , what a sysprog 
does and has to know...my old age is showing, 62 in August , some ppl just 
don't get what we do..


Scott Ford
Senior Systems Engineer
www.identityforge.com



On Apr 27, 2012, at 5:14 AM, Thomas Berg <thomas.b...@swedbank.se> wrote:

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>> W dniu 2012-04-27 10:35, Thomas Berg pisze:
>> [...]
>> 
>>>>> If true, why are so many skilled mainframe professionals --
>>>> particularly
>>>>> sysprogs -- looking for work? IJS...
>>>> 
>>>> - More skilled ones are to expensive
>>> 
>>> They aren't.  It's just that the hiring bosses think so because they
>> are fixated at the view that non-management personals should be payed
>> much less than management personals.
>>> In a rational world there wouldn't at the same time have people saying
>> that it's hard to get skilled mainframe personal and have many skilled
>> mainframe sysprogs looking for work (and not getting any).
>>> 
>>> If you really need, e g, a skilled sysprog it's no problem to get one:
>> just put some more money on the pay - and do a decent research to get
>> the right person.
>>> But CIOs today isn't interested as they are constantly looking at the
>> next step in their careers.
>> 
>> Let me rephrase it: It is TYPICAL IN OUR WORLD.
>> Is our world reasonable?
>> Well... I think it's completely unreasonable that poor soccer player
>> earns much more than prime minister or university professor. It's
>> unreasonable to pay fortune for Madonna's brassiere. It's unreasonable
>> that, for example some celebrity's divorce is a news of the day, and
>> blue laser is completely ignored.  However it's typical, so it's NORMAL.
>> And it's (unfortunately) normal, that managers prefer young candidates.
>> It's bad, stupid, illegal, but normal.
> 
> We have met the enemy and he is us ?  :)
> 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Thomas Berg
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