Denis, I am technician, not marketing, so I don't use right words etc, but... All these specialty engines are introduced to save you money. How much, it depends. If it is good for your particular workload - it depends. If you pay workload based charges and you start to use zAAP, you can see savings at once as CP is used less then before. If you run zIIP eligible DB= 2 tasks, again you can see savings at once. These processors are not counted to your MSU total, don't you save money then ? Try to compare how much it cost on 9672 machines. Timothy mentioned here several times, running on z990 is 10% cheaper then on z900, then another 10= % on z9. Don't say new workload doesn't exist. There are S54 with most of IFLs or IF= L only machines sold. I understand your point about z/OS cost. But again, it depends. A lot of distributed cost is hidden, to buy several licenses for windows or to buy several PCs can be approved my lower manager. If you want to upgrade mainframe or run new software, it usualy goes to board of directors, so it is visible, but not more expensive. Again, as Timothy already said - the more you run on mainframe, the cheaper it is. It is still perception from 90's how bad, slow and expensive are mainframes= . Most of people on this list know it is not true. We have to fight this. There are a lot of IBMers who do. Try to ask your local IBMers for help, there are sales people, client reps etc, involve them. You can say, they should do it themselves and you are right, but sometimes they don't know something is happening until it is too late.
Marian On 4/6/06, Denis Gaebler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi List, > > thanks for the discussion. > To my information, if I connect to WLM as subsystem DB2 from my > application, why should it not be possible to run enclave SRBs in zIIP. > So IBM does not allow to use purchased processors and keeps on changing > microcode that I am not able to use some clever mechanisms to save > money, what are the options? > We will leave the z/OS platform. Use all efforts to migrate off to > UNIX. Is that what IBM really wants? > Maybe they can keep their revenue high for the next 3-5 years and > after that? I am not in the mood anymore to fight for the platform > z/OS. If IBM does not fight for it, I don't care. > Every consultant that enters the company talks to the controllers and > what they see first (using the 80:20 method) is the z/OS software > costs. So instead for looking for something else they are picking on > the z/OS and subsystem licensing costs. For that its of no help to use > dedicated processors for specific types of work. > I don't need a solution for new workload (IFL, zAAP, etc), that > doesn't really exist and it's mostly playground of people that did not > gave up zSeries so far with very small projects and niche applications. > Due to accounting purposes I need a cheaper solution for my existing > z/OS workload, that then will allow me to hunt for the big new projects > (new workload), that we keep on loosing to the UNIX people. > > Denis. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
