On May 9, 2007, at 10:04 AM, Steve Samson wrote:
Bruce,
I would regard SP as the "inside" job, designing, writing, testing,
and integrating code to accomplish some well-defined purpose. An SE
would be on the interface between "inside" and "outside", meeting
with TPTB and the end users to arrive at a set of specs that would
then be reviewed and/or revised with the SP to assess cost and
schedule, thus defining the purpose of the SP's effort.
In the dawn of history, an SE was the IBM sales team member who
would provide on-site training and act as the level 1 contact for
solving problems. By 1965 the SE became not much more than the guy
you called to order manuals, as all of them with half a brain were
pulled into the S/360 development effort.
Just my opinion and recollections...
Steve Samson
Steve,
I guess my recollections are different. Our SE actually wrote code
and even looked at dumps occasionally (the PSR did 99 percent of
that) I can't remember of any SE in that time frame doing anything
else but helping the customer install MVS and testing of it. My
memory is rather vague when we ran MVT but IIRC it was essentially
the same thing. I vaguely remember a story about we needed to
reproduce 200 cobol manuals and the person that followed through on
that was the sales rep. Our SE (s) attended staff meetings and also
attended (some) management meetings when new computers were talked
about or coming installations of new computers.
They also occasionally interfaced with other IBM types when it came
to type 3 products and or FDP's. We had good and poor SE's. I am
still friends with one of them after 30+ years. We had one that used
his knowledge of the 3850 (I think I knew more than he did and I was
not even close to being considered an expert on the thing) to get
promoted to someplace out in AZ.
Ed
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