Clark

Do you have any actual examples you can propose to us all. I would prefer an official one, one which refers to products on the same hardware platform - a reasonable restriction surely - and hence an example which can be backed up - as I have been doing - with verifiable bookshelf searches.

I'll take the opportunity to clear up your misunderstanding that USS belongs in the category of a "reused TLA" by doing something I should have done long ago which is to search the Communications Server bookshelf for USS as I did for the UNIX System Services bookshelf.

Here are my - to some extent unfortunate - results:

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"USS" in the z/OS V1R8.0 Communications Server bookshelf

3   IP and SNA Codes [and 1 meaning z/OS UNIX[1]]

14   IP Configuration Guide [and 1 meaning z/OS UNIX]
20   IP Configuration Reference [and 4 meaning z/OS UNIX]
3   IP Diagnosis Guide [and 2 meaning z/OS UNIX]
7   IP Messages Vol 4 (EZZ, SNM)
2   IP System Administrator's Commands

10   New Function Summary [and 5 meaning z/OS UNIX[2]]

7   SNA Customization
13   SNA Data Areas Vol 1
2   SNA Data Areas Vol 2
17   SNA Diagnosis Vol 1: Techniques and Procedures
3   SNA Diagnosis Vol 2: FFST Dumps and the VIT
47   SNA Messages
25   SNA Network Implementation
13   SNA Operations
6   SNA Programming
97   SNA Resource Definition Reference
6   SNA Resource Definition Samples

All other manuals in the bookshelf have 1 hit which refers to one or another standard messages and codes table which mentions USS with the correct context.

Thanks for inducing this research since I discovered the following in the Summary of Changes in the IP Configuration Guide, a feature clearly hitherto missing which I was happy to find:

<quote>

SNA character stream (SCS) format for unformatted system services (USS) tables, see "Using the Telnet USS and INTERPRET support" in topic 2.2.1.10.2.

</quote>

There's a *hint* that the IP component of Communications Server may be edging towards referring to the USS table as the TELNET "message" table. See section 2.4.9, "Telnet SCS message table support" in the New Function Summary manual. This however would not really be appropriate since the USS function includes also the analysis of *incoming* text.

Incidentally, unlike with the IP component manuals, I did not check the references in the SNA component manuals. I guess it is possible that there is the odd inappropriate reference there as well - but I doubt it.

[1] Tellingly so, "Reason code: EZB_RSN_NoOmvsAuth, Description: Service invoker not authorized to use USS."

[2] Including - what schizophrenia! - "All Language Environment and UNIX System Services (USS) failure reporting, including errnojr (referred to as errno2), is provided." in section 2.5.29, "Improve FTP serviceability"

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While this adequately indicates that USS *belongs* officially to Communications Sever, being derived from the SNA component previously known as VTAM, it is clear that the contagion is spreading into the IP component - always a bit of a maverick from its TCP/IP for MVS days.

In some ways this reflects the same unhealthy observation from the analysis of the UNIX System Services bookshelf which, proportionally, in fact has rather less evidence of infection, and is repeated here for easier comparison:

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"USS" in the z/OS V1R8.0 UNIX System Services bookshelf

2   File System Interface Reference
     comments in assembler and a C structure
3   Messages and Codes
     3 message explanations - 2 the same - out of, well, lots and lots
1   Parallel Environment Operation and Use
     a header of a sample log file from 1997 - maybe corrected by now!
5   Planning
all references to 3 codes for the "IBM Health Checker for z/OS and z/OS UNIX"

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This adequately indicates that USS *does not belong* officially to UNIX System Services. Thus, trying to pretend that USS is a *reuse* of a TLA is incorrect.

I'm glad you acknowledged that the correct USS is in *active* use. The original use in purely SNA networks may be to some extent being reduced but there is some significant drift towards use with TN3270 as indeed evidenced by this most recent enhancement to USS support in the Communications Server IP component.

I realise there are some who would deny the operation of "free speech" in IBM-MAIN - and the 1st amendment! - but I do reserve the right always to counter incorrect statements made in posts - especially in answer to my posts.[a]

In this regard I was going to let the incorrect impression given by Bill Fairchild that USS had equal status in two opposing "religions", as "heresy" or "true belief", pass but I may as well get that error corrected while on the topic.

Bill's scheme implies that those who believe in USS for UNIX System Services condemn Communications Server to the stake. Well, some may I guess but, surely, among the general populace of IBM-MAIN subscribers, there are those who

1. use USS for UNIX System Services out of ignorance that there is an official USS belonging to Communications Server 2. use USS for UNIX System Services in the full knowledge that there is an official USS belonging to Communications Server but rely on context to avoid ambiguity 3. being righteous souls, would never use USS to describe UNIX System Services

I expect those in category 2 and the probably very few in category 3 will get along fine in their "postal" exchanges. If there are any in category 1 who managed to get through the posts in this discussion - and actually took on board what was being said - I hope I have at least moved them to category 2 and, although not my objective, some may feel inspired to realign themselves as category 3.

And the overall benefit for IBM-MAIN list exchanges in general is that, whenever TELNET is to be discussed, the TLA USS will be used carefully to mean what it is supposed to mean.

This is far from a religious war with totally opposed beliefs - or, indeed, slightly but deadly opposed beliefs which characterise the most virulent religious wars.

Chris Mason

[a] There are however a number who claim to be enjoying the cut and thrust of debate. These have been from retiring folk who do not wish to be trampled underfoot[b] and so have sent private messages. It may be they found it just as interesting as the swinging tales which some have been sharing with us all of late.

[b] For those who did not follow the recent presidential election, this is a reference to the grandees of the Parti socialiste.

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As someone who has minimal interest in the issue and who has spent far
too much time reading postings on this, I will note that it wouldn't
be the first time one group in IBM has reused an active three letter
acronym from another group for either a similar purpose or an entirely
different one.
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