In the shop that I implemented the DFP segment, I was responsible for
(1) defining the DFP segment in Racf and (2) managing space. You're
right in that the Racf needs to cooperate, but in my former job and my
present job that's not a problem...

My 2 cents back at you :)

Thanks,
George Rodriguez
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Darth Keller
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 11:20 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: SMS PUZZLE

In the case of a smaller shop with simple needs, DFP segments might be
the 
way to go.  One of the companies we brought in & merged into our 
environment used them.  But I've just finished ripping all that code out

as for our needs, it proved to be too simple and didn't provide us with 
the granularity we needed.

We use DFP segments to provide TSO user defaults, but everything else
gets 
decided in the SMS code where I have the control.

One thing to keep in mind is that by giving control over to the DFP 
segment, you're generally depending on a RACF adminstrator to provide
your 
values.  While they're great at understanding RACF, I think it's a bit 
unfair to expect them to understand your storage environment and 
applications' needs.  Also getting changes made when needed can prove to

be a challenge too as their priorities don't necessarily match yours. 

my 2 cents - 
ddk


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A while back I was introduced to a new way of controlling SMS datasets.
The object is called DFP segments. What you do is define a DFP segment
in Racf DSN definition. You can specify a data class, management class
and/or storage class. In my case I just use the storage class and the
way I've got things set up here, the storage class determines what
storage group I'm going to use. There are 2 lines of code I needed to
insert to my ACS routine. It would ask the question "is there a value
defined for the DFP segment?" If the answer was yes, I would exit the
ACS routine.

This was code I used at my previous job, but it's something that I want
to do here at the District.

Here's a quick definition:

DFP segment. The portion of a RACF profile containing information
relating to the users and resources that are managed by the data
facility product (DFP).

I'll look though my list of manuals to get you some information on it.

Hope this helps...


Thanks,
George Rodriguez
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