It seems that more and more, systems programmers either find some old-timer to mentor them or they have to shoehorn themselves into positions to learn their jobs on their own.
Companies don't want to train them. Same thing with CoBOL or PL/I programmers. ============ Actually, this is part of a bigger trend towards immediate gratification instead of long term grain. CEOs don't benefit by thinking long term anymore. But it is a historical fact that societies that believe in long term wealth production produce consistent growth, and those that don't do not. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html