Man,
That would be a bad day...I seen a comma in a sysgen drive people nuts, of 
ourselves everyone was under the gun..

Scott ford
www.identityforge.com

On Sep 5, 2012, at 5:34 PM, Bernd Oppolzer <bernd.oppol...@t-online.de> wrote:

> I got answers like this, before.
> 
> These things work well, if you are in a development environment
> or in an earlier test stage.
> 
> What we have: we have a production system or an "almost" production system
> in a very late stage. Then, when combining severel hundred PL/1 modules and
> DLLs and several hundred C++ and C DLLs (written by several hundred different
> people), we suddenly discover that our service regions start to request more
> and more storage during the day shift ...
> 
> Ok, while writing this, I see the point ... our legacy C modules are well 
> tested,
> because we have tools that support testing of components, and those tools
> even check for storage leaks etc. And for the C++ components in the new 
> system,
> we don't have such support - it's not our fault; management believed that such
> tools are not needed and only recently (after 5 years) spended some money to
> improve the development and testing process. So the C++ components are
> not well tested and the problems arise in a very late stage ...
> 
> another part of the problem is that there is not enough time to do component
> tests and that many of the co-workers are not accustomed to do this -
> they throw the whole thing together and start testing it as a whole -
> which will not work, if you have such a large system.
> 
> The storage leak is only one small part of the problem ...
> 
> C++ as another player in this context makes things worse, not better.
> When we have to examine the behaviour of the overall system, the effects
> of the C++ runtime is sometimes like a mystery for us.
> 
> Very interesting effects can also occur, if a PL/1 ON ERROR unit tries
> to continue on short-on-storage-conditions, which occur in C or C++ modules 
> ...
> especially if this error-handler decides to provide only minimal dump 
> information ...
> with some 100 modules in your address space, it will take you days to find
> the error ...
> 
> Kind regards
> 
> Bernd
> 
> 
> 
> Am 05.09.2012 19:47, schrieb Charles Mills:
>> In many C++ implementations it is possible to replace 'new' with your own
>> 'debug_new' via a macro, and trace or link all of the "malloc's.".
>> 
>> Both of the C++ environments that I use (IBM z/OS XLC and MS VS) have
>> built-in "find the leak" functions that I use routinely to make certain I am
>> not leaking storage.
>> 
>> Charles
>> 
>> 
> 
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