John:
Your points are good. However you *MUST* order (and pay for) LE as
other components TCP and others need it (LE).
Ed
On Sep 28, 2012, at 9:02 AM, McKown, John wrote:
Since it's Friday and I am not doing much today, I'll jump in. When
one buys (actually licenses) a version of what is called "MS-
Windows", they get a lot of different programs all "bundled"
together. The programs which make up the .net run-time environment
are a part of this bundle. Therefore, IMO, .net run-time is an
integral part of MS-Windows and so is not "free" per se. You don't
pay for it separately, like you do for MS-Office. But you can't
get .net run-time separate from MS-Windows (well, ignoring Mono at
this point, you can't run Mono on MS-Windows). Also, you cannot
legally get and use the bundle called MS-Windows without a license.
That license may be paid for by you; or by a friend; or hidden as
the "Microsoft tax" when you purchase a PC with MS-Windows pre-
installed. .net run-time is like Internet Explorer. Both are
bundled and their use is allowed because you have a license for MS-
Windows.
In opposition to this would be software such as Oracle's Java and
LibreOffice. Neither of these are distributed in the "MS-Windows
bundle". Both of these may be downloaded, installed, and used
without paying money or "other consideration". However, if you look
closely at the sites, you will see that there is a explicitly
granted license to you to allow you download, install, and use
them. They are not "public domain". Java is gratis (no cost).
LibreOffice is both gratis (no cost) and libre (you can get;
modify; and redistribute). Technically, you are not supposed to
download Java, then give that downloaded copy to another. You are
only granted the right to download Java for yourself, for use on
that specific PC. Again, unlike LibreOffice whose license allows
you to redistribute it.
In the z/OS world, what exactly is z/OS? It definitely isn't free,
so what is being paid for? Is it the BCP which actually costs
money; and the rest (like TSO, LLA, VLF, DFSMSdfp, LE) are "free"
just because bundled? LE might be considered the ".net of z/OS". LE
is not cost-free! You certainly can't order z/OS without getting
and using LE. If you don't like LE as an example, what about
DFSMSdfp? It is also bundled and not part of the BCP. There is
other software which runs on z/OS which some might consider as part
of z/OS. One example is "Communications Server", aka VTAM and
TCPIP. Guess what? You can order z/OS without ordering
Communications Server. It is useful? Well, how about a batch-only
image which is connected to another system using a CTC as an NJE
channel. The second image could do JES2 NJE to the batch image
without the need for Communications Server. Sounds weird to me, but
what do I know of unusual requirements? There is other software
which is obviously not part of z/OS: the compilers for example.
Anyway, the way that I think of it ".net" is not free because it's
cost is bundled into MS-Windows. Other may consider it to be "free"
because it is not separately priced. You pays your money, you takes
your choice. Either way, you pay money to MS.
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On Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 7:51 AM
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Subject: Re: Another Light goes out
In <5064c431.8000...@bremultibank.com.pl>, on 09/27/2012
at 11:25 PM, "R.S." <r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl> said:
We (me and others) claim that .NET framework is free of charge.
Having it does not involve any additional cost.
Does that mean that you will steal a copy of windoze? You are not
legally allowed to use .net without it, and that does involve an
additional cost. Whether you chose to pay that additional cost for
other reasons is irrelevant.
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